Originally Posted by akaTRAP
Originally Posted by Marin
The games mentioned and disdain for games that seem to be for a younger audience is why, lol.
It's the toxic attitude of gamers that because a game has non-realistic graphics that it's casual, and somehow because there's blood and guns that it's somehow hardcore and mature. These games still hold your hand, give you tutorials, hold your hand, are extremely linear, etc. They are the definition of a casual game, yet the "bro gamers" think they are somewhat hardcore because they play games with guns. They usually, instead of enjoying the game, prefer to get high or drunk and use the game as a pass time as opposed to enjoying the game for what it is. Usually accompanied by friends.
So Far Cry, Destiny, and BF are "bro games" now? I can see CoD & NFS but those three? & because I don't like games that seem to be for a younger audience? I'm 21. I don't play with Hot Wheels, and I don't come home from an elementary school to rush to Dragon Ball Z. I also don't have $300 to kill on a console that doesn't have what I want. lol "a console doesn't have games that I want, therefore I won't buy" = "bro-gamer".
All of those games are the same. You might not want to hear this, but the "casual brogramer" market has been invading quality games for a while. Look at Elder Scrolls. The vast majority of people who played Skyrim didn't even know what Elder Scrolls was
and they think Skyrim is a stand alone game. Ask how many people who played Skyrim played the older versions when you talk to a typical Bro-Gamer.
Perhaps "bro gamers" isn't the right term. What he's getting at is that these games are casual shovel ware that will hold your hand and are easy to play, yet the people who play them think they are hardcore and well above platforming games or fighting games with a non-realistic graphic style. Far Cry 3 was big when it came out and now it is nearly forgotten. When the new version of Farcry comes out, Far Cry 3 will be forgotten nearly entirely.
It is also annoying that you assume that those types of games are for a "younger audience." Those types of games are huge
with adults Japan. In fact, judging from my time spent in Tokyo arcades, they're far more popular than any sort of American-style games that aim for hyper-realism. You can sit here and talk about how Nintendo games are for kids or whatever, but I can guarantee you that you can't get past the first stage of Fire Emblem on Insane difficulty. I don't even think I can and there were even some portions of the game that were difficult on normal mode, which is as low as it goes.
The whole "bro gramer" attitude is the ignorant attitude of not wanting to try new games, but instead wanting to find the most "look at my big manly main character who is a hero who I get to play bro!" The worst thing is that those sorts of people don't realize they're killing the industry and killing innovation. They're creating an environment where you can just remake the same ideas with better graphics, change the guns and characters, and then sell it like hot-cakes.
The "games for younger people" that you look down on so hard are innovative and creative, and they are not constrained because they have to fit within a specific graphical art style.
Originally Posted by jman246
I've owned every Nintendo home console to date and once some good games are released the wii u too. Even the wii provided more fun than more 360 (n64 providing fun to this day). Power aside only reason i'd buy the ps4 or x1 is for exclusives such as ffxv or kh3.
I am in complete agreement with you. The games are just fun for Nintendo and they're meant to be enjoyed for years upon years. The bro gamers just eat up shovel ware that's going to be replaced in a year and then sold to Gamestop for $5 because the game is not worth more than that to them. There is a very good reason why Akihabara in Tokyo has a massive used game market and you can literally walk into stores lined with NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Master System, Neo Geo, etc games and systems and there's hardly anything like that in America. The American bro-games are disposable, planned obsolescence garbage designed to be replaced in a year to milk rich white kids into coughing up more money for the same things on the same engines, with fluff enabled to give the perception of added value (better graphics, dogs, fish, etc).
The quality of actual gameplay shows in the fact that there is still no working xbox emulator, and there never will be. The console never offered any significant or special to the system games, thus no one is dedicated enough to reverse engineer the system and emulate it.
Contrast that with Wii, which was IIRC the first current gen console to be emulated. People like Nintendo games that much that they can be that dedicated to it. Xbox doesn't have that type of ecosystem behind it and the game quality and design shows that it's catering to the types of people (brogamers) whom don't care about those sorts of things.
Originally Posted by StreekG
What's a bro-gamer, or a bro game for that matter?
To sum it up, I'd say it's the type of gamer who thinks they are hardcore because they play casual games disguised as serious games that will hold your hand and are basically impossible to lose at unless you're completely blazed out of your mind. The "maturity" of their games are not determined by the difficulty of the game itself or if you need advanced understanding of concepts of the game, but on how realistic the graphics are and how macho-man your main character is.
To put it bluntly, they are the kinds of folks that would completely write off games like Civ 5 and Starcraft 2 if they had a graphic style that didn't aim somewhat for realism because they judged the game solely on graphics.
They also assume that because children like it that it's only meant for children. Bro gamers then turn around, flip up their iPhone that children can use easily, and declare them selves sophisticated gamers because they don't play games that kids play.
Bro gamers are essentially casual gamers who think they are hardcore because they play one or two styles of games and degrade everything else.