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Oh, sorry tongue.gif

A CPU's speed in GHz is determined by the product of two things: the FSB aka BLCK, and the multiplier. On Sandy and Ivy Bridge chips, the BLCK cannot be safely increased, so you're stuck at the default 100 times whatever multiplier you set (a 3770K is 100MHz BLCK times 35 for the multiplier). Favoring BLCk over the multiplier doesn't give you better overclocks, but it allows for a larger range of CPU and RAM frequencies since you can control both values that are being multiplied. The biggest advantage of being able to increase the BLCK on Haswell is that you don't absolutely need a "K" series chip to overclock, but a "K" chip is what you should go for anyways.

I will probably go for Haswell in that case, I'd really love to see how far I can push my CPU and feel like it would be a worthwhile hobby smile.gif Obviously that's why I'm here rolleyes.gif
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GPU > CPU, always been my philosophy.

this. I've been building ivy bridge i3's + HD7870's even a HD7950 for my friends (and the occasional clients). it would be a bad build for enthusiasts like us but price:performance it is the best esp for the normal user who just play games. for those builds I cheap out everything except PSU and gpu thumb.gif
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By the time Ivy bridge and socket 1155, gets obsolete, haswell and 1150 will be obsolete too. You might end up paying a bit more going with haswell and essentially you get better onboard graphics which you obviously don't need. In your case, with either architecture an i5 is a no brainer.
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Doesn't anybody multitask?

Of course hyperthreading will be of some benefit, even for "gamers".

An i7 may be a better experience if you like to have other things going on while gaming.

The i7 are better and worth the extra money, at least in my opinion. Who wants to have their rig crippled with just one main application running?

I recommend getting as good of a CPU as you can, upgrade GPUs more often as needed.

Compared to the price of a good GPU, another $100 thrown in for an i7 is money reasonably well spent.
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Doesn't anybody multitask?

Of course hyperthreading will be of some benefit, even for "gamers".

An i7 may be a better experience if you like to have other things going on while gaming.

The i7 are better and worth the extra money, at least in my opinion. Who wants to have their rig crippled with just one main application running?

I recommend getting as good of a CPU as you can, upgrade GPUs more often as needed.

Compared to the price of a good GPU, another $100 thrown in for an i7 is money reasonably well spent.

even an i3 is more than capable in multi tasking. it's not like in the past when you do experience things getting smoother going from a single core to a dualcore or to a quad core. I don't consider myself a heavy multitasker and I don't run those really heavy work grade applications but I could never tell the difference between my ivy bridge i5 @ 5ghz to my i3 2120 in my htpc (when I still had it) on the desktop environment. I have a gtx 680 with the htpc atm and not once did I feel I was really getting bottlenecked. I did upgrade the cpu with an i5 2400 though but as expected the increase in performance was minimal

esp with budget builds an i3 + better gpu outright demolishes in every game a build with an i5/i7 + lesser gpu
Edited by jprovido - 7/13/13 at 4:55pm
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have been an AMD cpu user for 2 years now updated to Intel and there is just MASSIVE difference in gaming for me
now i wouldn't even look at upgrading this CPU for 3 years...now will just keep updating GPU time to time
so yeah Ivy or Haswell honestly doesn't matter but in gaming (only) i5 should be plenty from what i think, hell my friend is rocking 2 780s with i5 2500K but since Haswell is brand new then why not ?
in OCing i wouldn't be leaning towards Haswell tongue.gif but Z87 will support Broadwell to which u can upgrade down the line thumb.gif
     
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Doesn't anybody multitask?
Who wants to have their rig crippled with just one main application running?

That's not going to happen on a quad-core chip. Very unlikely to happen even on a dual-core.

If you just need a lot of threads going at the same time, and single-core performance doesn't matter, save a ton of money and buy an 8320 or a Thuban. But that's not that type of workloads the OP is talking about.
     
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I want to toss my enthusiastic questioning into the equation as well! (sorry OP)
I'm in much of the same boat - I could easily justify paying for more muscle of the newest i7 4770k processor, but considering I play BF3 and basically only plan on playing BF4 I don't know if I really need the muscle. I do sometimes enjoy games like Civ 5 and shogun, which I know are taxing on a processor compared to a GPU.

I work remotely through logmein, but the speed of that is bound by the crummy pc at work that I log into. Sometimes I log into work and I will log into BF3 in the background to seed a server until its populated.... however I don't think the difference between and i5 and i7 would do that much... (or does it?)

I, of course, want to 'future proof' as much as possible - like the OP - so going with an i7 seems to be slightly more "safe" since it seems like multi-threaded gaming is starting to become more prevalent....

If I'm totally wrong on any of these points I fully expect the internet to let me know!
Thanks to all the knowledgeable people at OC net for the feedback!
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GPU > CPU, always been my philosophy.

this. I've been building ivy bridge i3's + HD7870's even a HD7950 for my friends (and the occasional clients). it would be a bad build for enthusiasts like us but price:performance it is the best esp for the normal user who just play games. for those builds I cheap out everything except PSU and gpu thumb.gif

This. This is what I do. Vote for Ivy i5 as best cost efficient build.


I'd rather have an Ivy i5 (although I haven't looked at too much benchmarks) over an Haswell i5 and bump up my GPU another tier up. (like 7950 to 7970).
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