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I currently have a Phenom II X4 965BE running at everything stock and I'm starting to see a little bit of lag during loading transitions when I go to outside/ water and NPC heavy environments in Skyrim while running their HD texture pack. I've done a few trials such as overclocking my 460GTX and checking how much overhead I have in the RAM department, and I think that the title of bottlenecker has fallen to my CPU.

I have read a few threads and articles on other sites on overclocking and the emphasis on keeping temps low. I used OCCT to see if I had any extra wiggle room in managing temps. I've found that it idles at around 45-57C and sits around 61-63C during full load from OCCT. Do you think I could squeeze just a few mhz out of it just running stock? Or should I try to find a new CPU? I'll list my Specs Below.

GPU: EVGA 460GTX SC (Overclocked to 850Mhz Core, 2000 Mem, stable at 73C in OC Burner) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567)

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 125W @3.4Ghz w stock cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

PSU: Corsair TX650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-770T-USB Mid-ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
This is revision 1.3 of the mobo and the manual that it has support for one specific AM3+ CPU, the FX-4130

RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 1333 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Corsair-_-20145315

Case: Lian Li K65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112354


Thanks in advance for any input!

I'm sorry if I stepped out of bounds by posting the newegg links, just let me know and I can edit it out.
     
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I currently have a Phenom II X4 965BE running at everything stock and I'm starting to see a little bit of lag during loading transitions when I go to outside/ water and NPC heavy environments in Skyrim while running their HD texture pack. I've done a few trials such as overclocking my 460GTX and checking how much overhead I have in the RAM department, and I think that the title of bottlenecker has fallen to my CPU.

I have read a few threads and articles on other sites on overclocking and the emphasis on keeping temps low. I used OCCT to see if I had any extra wiggle room in managing temps. I've found that it idles at around 45-57C and sits around 61-63C during full load from OCCT. Do you think I could squeeze just a few mhz out of it just running stock? Or should I try to find a new CPU? I'll list my Specs Below.

GPU: EVGA 460GTX SC (Overclocked to 850Mhz Core, 2000 Mem, stable at 73C in OC Burner) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567)

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 125W @3.4Ghz w stock cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

PSU: Corsair TX650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-770T-USB Mid-ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
This is revision 1.3 of the mobo and the manual that it has support for one specific AM3+ CPU, the FX-4130

RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 1333 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Corsair-_-20145315

Case: Lian Li K65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112354


Thanks in advance for any input!

I'm sorry if I stepped out of bounds by posting the newegg links, just let me know and I can edit it out.

Well the FX-4130 would be a Side-Grade.

With the Stock Cooler in mind, you can't OC much. I would say 3.6Ghz or 3.8Ghz tops. Just up the Multi a few notches and maybe put the Vcore up a setting or 2 also. Test with 8 hrs-12 hrs of PRIME or 15 Runs of MAXIMUM Intel Burn Test. OCCT for 2-4 Hrs might work too, haven't used it in a while.

Ideally you will need to upgrade the Cooler and OC more or Cooler and a FX-6100-6350.
 
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Originally Posted by Jusmar View Post

I currently have a Phenom II X4 965BE running at everything stock and I'm starting to see a little bit of lag during loading transitions when I go to outside/ water and NPC heavy environments in Skyrim while running their HD texture pack. I've done a few trials such as overclocking my 460GTX and checking how much overhead I have in the RAM department, and I think that the title of bottlenecker has fallen to my CPU.

I have read a few threads and articles on other sites on overclocking and the emphasis on keeping temps low. I used OCCT to see if I had any extra wiggle room in managing temps. I've found that it idles at around 45-57C and sits around 61-63C during full load from OCCT. Do you think I could squeeze just a few mhz out of it just running stock? Or should I try to find a new CPU? I'll list my Specs Below.

GPU: EVGA 460GTX SC (Overclocked to 850Mhz Core, 2000 Mem, stable at 73C in OC Burner) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567)

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 125W @3.4Ghz w stock cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

PSU: Corsair TX650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-770T-USB Mid-ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
This is revision 1.3 of the mobo and the manual that it has support for one specific AM3+ CPU, the FX-4130

RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 1333 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Corsair-_-20145315

Case: Lian Li K65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112354


Thanks in advance for any input!

I'm sorry if I stepped out of bounds by posting the newegg links, just let me know and I can edit it out.

For starters, I don't recommend overclocking on that motherboard. It has zero cooling on the vrm's which is very important. Second, don't expect to get a huge overclock on stock cooling. Maybe 3.7GHZ max on that. My suggestion to you is get a 6 core (FX 6300/6350) or a 8 core (FX 8320/8350) and a decent AM3+ motherboard.
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Great! I was thinking about trying to match the next model up in frequency! Do you think my current temps are alright? I read in a few places that it's "max" temp was 62C, but is there really any true max temp when things start to really go bad? I do have a side vent that is directly over the heatsink, should I just pop in an extra 120mm that I have lying around? or is that counter productive? That said, I don't mean to be super rabid about cooling theory and what not.
     
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Great! I was thinking about trying to match the next model up in frequency! Do you think my current temps are alright? I read in a few places that it's "max" temp was 62C, but is there really any true max temp when things start to really go bad? I do have a side vent that is directly over the heatsink, should I just pop in an extra 120mm that I have lying around? or is that counter productive? That said, I don't mean to be super rabid about cooling theory and what not.

Max temp on your processor is 62c as stated by AMD. Your just behind the danger zone with stock cooling. The best recommendation to you is buy an aftermarket heat sink to cool the processor and then overclock. The second part of this is Skyrim is CPU dependent game. The processors that I said in previous post will give you a MUCH BIGGER BOOST then overclocking your current. If I was in your shoes, I would at least go out and buy a proven aftermarket cooler. This is cheap insurance for your rig. The best path is a CPU and Motherboard upgrade.
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Phenom's just can't keep up without being overclocked these days. And if your overclocking a Phenom, you better make sure you have a decent aftermarket cooler.

AMD doesn't offer a serious upgrade path from AM3 sockets. FX series CPUs are side-grades, not upgrades IMO.

I have a X4 970 OC'd to 3.8 (wasn't stable at 4.0 Ghz) and the only way I get by is with my aftermarket cooler and the air conditioning vent in my house shooting air in the direction of my computer. lol tongue.gif
 
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Phenom's just can't keep up without being overclocked these days. And if your overclocking a Phenom, you better make sure you have a decent aftermarket cooler.

AMD doesn't offer a serious upgrade path from AM3 sockets. FX series CPUs are side-grades, not upgrades IMO.

I have a X4 970 OC'd to 3.8 (wasn't stable at 4.0 Ghz) and the only way I get by is with my aftermarket cooler and the air conditioning vent in my house shooting air in the direction of my computer. lol tongue.gif

To each their own. I went from a Phenom II 955 oc to 4.0ghz to fx 6300 and saw a nice performance boost in all applicatione especially multi threaded. Taking a look at current bench marks will prove so.
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Really? Okay. Would just bumping up the multiplier 1x cause any serious issues? Not touching voltages or anything of the sort (this is purely assuming that it's stable after a few hours of OCCT).
And I guess I'll just stick to saving for a new build, Getting my GPU up to spec with a model that was $50 more at the time I bought it was exciting and just got me giddy.


Sooo...How are the APU's working out? wink.gif
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