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AMD is screwing it up badly. frankly this 220w product priced at USD 700+ is embarassing. AMD has failed to deliver FX steamroller in 2013. thats what would have mattered. in fact even their kaveri apu looks delayed to Feb - Apr 2014 . AMD is pathetic when it comes to the CPU division. AMD's problems are worsened by lack of competitive manufacturing process at GF/TSMC. 28nm Kaveri will be competing with 14nm broadwell. thats 2 process generations behind Intel and even more accounting for the fact that Intel uses 3d finfet while GF uses planar transistors. both in terms of CPU architecture and manufacturing process AMD needs to do much better. but whether they can do it is doubtful.
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They obviously aren't oblivious to the competition, they just know that others are.

I am a big AMD fan and I really enjoyed my 1055T at 4GHz, but as soon as I went to 2500k, there was no turning back. It is sad to see the 1100T do so well considering how old it is compared to BD/PD, but it is what it is. I will gladly go back to AMD as soon as they retake the crown from Intel.
   
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They obviously aren't oblivious to the competition, they just know that others are.

I am a big AMD fan and I really enjoyed my 1055T at 4GHz, but as soon as I went to 2500k, there was no turning back. It is sad to see the 1100T do so well considering how old it is compared to BD/PD, but it is what it is. I will gladly go back to AMD as soon as they retake the crown from Intel.
since when, Athlon 64...?
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I like the way the supply is limited to system builders. I think a 5 Ghz out the box system would appeal to people who don't want to overclock themselves. But looking at the cost / performance I don't see the point.
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There is something wrong with that chip and/or that review... I just looked at the first page and so far I've seen a 4.7-5.0GHz chip score 10% worse than my 8320 at 4.8GHz in AIDA64 CPU Zlib and and score worse in Cinebench than my 8320 does at 4.6. Their 9590 also seems to only be scoring around 13% better than their 8350 most of the time... hell, sometimes, their 9590 can't even win by 10% in pure CPU bound benchmarks... this would, at the very least, suggest that their 9590 is never going above 4.7GHz and their 8350 is constantly boosting to 4.1-4.2GHz.

The results attained through AIDA can vary wildly from one version to another. I use a version from about 8 months ago in order to standardize the results across multiple platforms / review dates.

I can also confirm that our FX-9590 barely ever went above the 4.7GHz mark in multi threaded workloads. I believe KitGuru reported the same thing. This isn't an issue but rather a "feature" that limits power consumption.

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HWC also has the first OCing results.

But they don't really tell anything as far as the chip's potential goes. Pretty bad cooling (why did they even try it on air?) and they seemed to have some issues with either the PSU or the mobo causing shut downs.

Why can't we have reviewers that are good at OCing things anymore?

I had it on air simply because my H80 wasn't up to the task of actually cooling it. The Noctua heatsink actually reduced temperatures by ~7°C at full load so I used that. My H100 sprung a leak about two weeks ago and I have yet to find time to RMA it.

I'd like to think I'm perfectly good at AMD overclocking but it all boils down to time. A follow-up article with TEC results will be posted in the next few weeks.

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Yay another review! Too bad it's a horrible one.

Can you explain what is so "horrible" about the review? I'd love to improve for future articles but I think this one covered all of the bases. smile.gif
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They got a score of 7.87 @ stock 4.7 and 9.02@5.0? No way this processor scales that good, their base score is obviously compromised, which questions the stability of their setup.

Nothing is compromised. There are a number of things you have to take into account.

#1) The standard scores were done with Turbo enabled. This means the chip gravitates between 4.5GHz and 4.7GHz or slightly upwards when all cores are loaded. There may even be additional fluctuations downwards that the logging software didn't pick up.

#2) The overclocked scores were achieved with ALL CORES running at a constant 5.016GHz and every power saving option disabled.

Trust me, it scales that well. I re-validated it something like 5 times.

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SKYMTL - so your saying that a H80 couldn't cool this chip but the air Noctua did better by -7C
and it actually takes the H100 to keep this thing cool.?
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Nothing is compromised. There are a number of things you have to take into account.

#1) The standard scores were done with Turbo enabled. This means the chip gravitates between 4.5GHz and 4.7GHz when all cores are loaded. There may even be additional fluctuations downwards the the logging software didn't pick up.

#2) The overclocked scores were achieved with ALL CORES running at a constant 5.016GHz and every power saving option disabled.

Basically, what you are saying is that the chip is not a 4.7Ghz base processor since it will drop @4.5Ghz during cinebench 11.5 type of workloads. Cause AMD claims it is 4.7Ghz base/5.0Ghz turbo so one of you is inaccurate (don't take it as a stab,it is a genuine question, kitguru had issues with their chip too).
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Double the price of a 4770k


Less performance.



Amd



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SKYMTL - so your saying that a H80 couldn't cool this chip but the air Noctua did better by -7C
and it actually takes the H100 to keep this thing cool.?

When overclocking, yes. I tried a Noctua U12S and H80 at stock speeds and everything was A-OK. Overclocking required additional thermal capacity so a U14S with two high speed fans were used.

As AMD said to me: this processor really isn't meant for overclocking on air.

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Basically, what you are saying is that the chip is not a 4.7Ghz base processor since it will drop @4.5Ghz during cinebench 11.5 type of workloads. Cause AMD claims it is 4.7Ghz base/5.0Ghz turbo so one of you is inaccurate (don't take it as a stab,it is a genuine question, kitguru had issues with their chip too).

I'm not saying that. smile.gif

What I am saying that the 4.7GHz base frequency is maintained with perfect stability for the most part. However, some cores fluctuate to 4.5GHz or thereabouts every now and then due to Turbo Core coming down hard on....something. I'm sure there are even more fluctuations current monitoring software can't pick up.

On the other hand, I only saw 5.0GHz rarely and only when 1-3 threads were required. 4-6 threads usually saw it at ~4.85GHz and 6-8 threads pegged it at 4.7GHz.
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Nothing is compromised. There are a number of things you have to take into account.

#1) The standard scores were done with Turbo enabled. This means the chip gravitates between 4.5GHz and 4.7GHz when all cores are loaded. There may even be additional fluctuations downwards the the logging software didn't pick up.

#2) The overclocked scores were achieved with ALL CORES running at a constant 5.016GHz and every power saving option disabled.

Basically, what you are saying is that the chip is not a 4.7Ghz base processor since it will drop @4.5Ghz during cinebench 11.5 type of workloads. Cause AMD claims it is 4.7Ghz base/5.0Ghz turbo so one of you is inaccurate (don't take it as a stab,it is a genuine question, kitguru had issues with their chip too).

More than likely throttling from AMD, whether it's power, load, or temperature, or all three.
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