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The only thing the company has said is that LGA in 2014 will consist of a Haswell refresh. Broadwell on 14nm on soldered BGA is still coming as planned.

I mean, it's not as if this hasn't been beaten to death over and over and over in every. single. roadmap thread or anything...

I don't even believe it ends to that. It's absolutely ludicrous that they will allow AMD roaming the market with 20nm CPUs that TSMC will make possible from early 2014, while Intel sits there looking at their 22nm CPUs being ridiculed, while it has three foundries perfectly capable of printing 14nm dies(from late 2013). They will both go to 14nm/20nm in the year 2014 and that's a fact unless their fabs explode or something similarly disastrous happens.
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post #32 of 37
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I don't even believe it ends to that. It's absolutely ludicrous that they will allow AMD roaming the market with 20nm CPUs that TSMC will make possible from early 2014, while Intel sits there looking at their 22nm CPUs being ridiculed, while it has three foundries perfectly capable of printing 14nm dies(from late 2013). They will both go to 14nm/20nm in the year 2014 and that's a fact unless their fabs explode or something similarly disastrous happens.

Fact based on your opinion so it seems. Everything points to Intel moving 14nm back. All their roadmaps that had 14nm in 2014 has now changed. I dont see where the FACTS lay to show 14nm in 2014.
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post #33 of 37
You probably have only seen desktop roadmaps. 14nm will be available in mobile products only in 2014.

But this has nothing to do with TSMC. They expect mass production of 20nm chips to start in Q2 2014.
From the Q1 2013 TSMC conference call:
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Steven C. Pelayo - HSBC, Research Division
All right, then, if you could just remind me, what -- when is 20-nanometer revenues going to start being 1%, or 2%, or 3% of revenue? I think -- I forgot if you guys could comment on it?
Morris Chang - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
20-nanometer?
Steven C. Pelayo - HSBC, Research Division
Yes.
Morris Chang - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
20 has not started.
Elizabeth Sun - Director of Corporate Communication Division
20 has not started.
Steven C. Pelayo - HSBC, Research Division
I know. When do you expect?
Elizabeth Sun - Director of Corporate Communication Division
When? First half next year.
Lora Ho - Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance
You're asking about 20?
Morris Chang - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, she answered already, she said first half of next year. You actually set a pretty low hurdle. You said 2% or 3%, right?
Steven C. Pelayo - HSBC, Research Division
What quarter will be the first few percentage of revenues will come from 20-nanometer for TSMC?
Morris Chang - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
What quarter will be the first 2% quarter?
Lora Ho - Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance
Well, based on our current estimation, it will be roughly second quarter 2014.

The quarter where 28nm accounted for 2% of their revenue, the 7970 was released, Q4 2011 (paperlaunch). So I would expect May 2014 at the earliest for 20nm...unless AMD opts for risk production.
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Fact based on your opinion so it seems. Everything points to Intel moving 14nm back. All their roadmaps that had 14nm in 2014 has now changed. I dont see where the FACTS lay to show 14nm in 2014.

If you call opinion what I think it's obvious would be suicide by Intel looking at their perfectly capable 14nm foundries being unused while AMD roams the market with 20nm CPUs, then yes, it's an opinion.
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post #35 of 37
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Everything points

Plus your evaluation of sources is bogus. Intel has officially never denied its regular progress with Moore's law and hence 14nm in 2014, it has never confirmed the leaked roadmaps and in general what I say is unequivocally closer to what Intel officially says than internet rumors.
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post #36 of 37
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The only thing the company has said is that LGA in 2014 will consist of a Haswell refresh. Broadwell on 14nm on soldered BGA is still coming as planned.

I mean, it's not as if this hasn't been beaten to death over and over and over in every. single. roadmap thread or anything...

BGA yeah but when? We only have old roadmaps speaking about Q2 2014, before haswell refresh was ever mentioned. The earliest we can expect broadwell 14nm laptops are a good 14 months after june 2013 (haswell launch), that could be aug-sep 2014 if intel continues the sandy/ivy trend. If that's the case the roadmap is already off.
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post #37 of 37
Forget the "Haswell Refresh" thing as being confirmed. Intel never confirmed it and it never made sense logically. In the past they used the term "Refresh" to mean "Tik" and it's most likely the case here, that someone wanted to type Broadwell. He didn't know that he was talking to the whole world before being leaked to pay that much attention to it.

What I will give you is that I put down a graph of their Tik-Tok releases and it indeed sounds too soon to go to Broadwell very early in 2014. It seems more likely to go after the summer. But, if TSMC presses them with AMD products that are good, they can EASILY step it up. Their fabs are probably ready or ready before the end of 2013.
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