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Yeap, more than knowing this we *feel* it.

Many people I know say Pc Gaming is dead. But even they have a PC at home and play with it too, not just the consoles. I hate games from the consoles beeing ported to PC. Its terrible.


The solution? You back up STAR CITIZEN, a fully crowd funded game, with almost 15 million $$$$ gathered to bring the game.

The modo of the game*

"THE REPORTS OF MY DEATH WAS GREATLY EXAGERATED" " I AM A PC GAME AND I AM A SPACE SYM"

And it will rock. Long live PC GAMING!
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Also hardware is way ahead of software these days you can spend a grand on a nice pc and it will last you a long time for gaming.

Nah. It's not the hardware that is ahead. It's the hardware that is much less faster per iteration/year compared to the past (due to quantum mechanical barriers as we approach towards 10nm or lower processes in the common silicon era). Nowadays game designers have to try harder to prove they innovated. In the past, early 2000s, '90s and certainly the 80s processors and graphics were advancing with about.. double the speed each year. Games would just run double the speed or the same speed with double the assets on the screen.
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post #143 of 188
I actually surprised that it was that high, I would have guessed it would be slightly lower than that.
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There is always some idiot from some company, or some other trash floating around out there, about which one is dead. PCs, or consoles. Take your pick. They are related, but that's it. Neither one will ever die, until the hardware gets so dang advanced, that either can do both with perfection. I don't see that day coming for a lonnng, lonnng time. 20 or 30 years. And as you can see these days, neither one is going to die. They're going to merge, if anything. Consoles are becoming more like PCs, not the other way around.
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Wow... Well, If I had a internet connection that didnt have a massive ping I would invest more money into a decent computer rather than consoles. Thats basically the only reason why I have a console at the moment...
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Wow... Well, If I had a internet connection that didnt have a massive ping I would invest more money into a decent computer rather than consoles. Thats basically the only reason why I have a console at the moment...

There are single player games on PC as well you know wink.gif
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There is always some idiot from some company, or some other trash floating around out there, about which one is dead. PCs, or consoles. Take your pick. They are related, but that's it. Neither one will ever die, until the hardware gets so dang advanced, that either can do both with perfection. I don't see that day coming for a lonnng, lonnng time. 20 or 30 years. And as you can see these days, neither one is going to die. They're going to merge, if anything. Consoles are becoming more like PCs, not the other way around.

I'm personally confident that even the mobile market is overrated. There seems to be an illusion these days that everyone will throw their PCs (or even laptops!) out the window and get tablets and phones. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous because it implies people will always find it absurd to keep a computer stationary, which is an absurd thought. There will be always people that will need to have an office computer, or a living room computer, a gaming computer, anything of that sort. And there's of course the massive need of datacenters and general professional use that is by definition stationary. The thing is, it's inefficient to not use active cooling and a stationary system when you don't need it. Why would you unnecessary have a mobile device will less power and features over size when it's completely unneeded to be mobile?

Also, and more importantly since I never hear it, most tablets and phones are reaching a point that makes them non replaceable. And I don't mean irreplaceable, but that unless they die, they have little to offer with an upgrade. For example, my phone is a cheap-ass 1-core Android 4. It can drive me with GPS anywhere and does all the basic things I want it to. It can even do "PC stuff" in some limited manner. I don't even need some of the stuff it does. So.. I may just keep it until it dies. i.e. if people reach a point that most of what they have will just be kept until it dies, the market slows down. i.e. I want to see if those tablets being sold now will simply tank in sales because people getting them will simply not have a better use for them than what they already do.
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post #148 of 188
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I'm personally confident that even the mobile market is overrated. There seems to be an illusion these days that everyone will throw their PCs (or even laptops!) out the window and get tablets and phones. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous because it implies people will always find it absurd to keep a computer stationary, which is an absurd thought. There will be always people that will need to have an office computer, or a living room computer, a gaming computer, anything of that sort. And there's of course the massive need of datacenters and general professional use that is by definition stationary. The thing is, it's inefficient to not use active cooling and a stationary system when you don't need it. Why would you unnecessary have a mobile device will less power and features over size when it's completely unneeded to be mobile?

Also, and more importantly since I never hear it, most tablets and phones are reaching a point that makes them non replaceable. And I don't mean irreplaceable, but that unless they die, they have little to offer with an upgrade. For example, my phone is a cheap-ass 1-core Android 4. It can drive me with GPS anywhere and does all the basic things I want it to. It can even do "PC stuff" in some limited manner. I don't even need some of the stuff it does. So.. I may just keep it until it dies. i.e. if people reach a point that most of what they have will just be kept until it dies, the market slows down. i.e. I want to see if those tablets being sold now will simply tank in sales because people getting them will simply not have a better use for them than what they already do.

Overall solid points, I would like to add another one (or one of the made points from a slightly different perspective, depending on how you look at it) - namely the cost. It is substantially more expensive to get a mobile system which can offer the same performance as the stationary system. So - if mobility is not needed it would be wasteful to go with mobile systems. If mobility IS needed it can be still beneficial sometimes to go with a configuration which consists of stationary and mobile part at the cost of increased complexity. For example, a PC desktop system and as cheap tablet with as good screen and data connection as you can get and just remote desktop into the stationary system when needed the power. Evolution of technology is a complex thing. Mobile systems are gaining power and are already pretty good for everyday common usages but at the same time the data connections evolve as well making some usage patterns viable which did not make sense previously - the remote desktop from a mobile system being one of these.

Example: Was visiting a conference in US recently. So I decided I shall not drag along my 4.5 kg desktop replacement laptop and opted to bring only ~350 gram 7'' android tablet with me - I had already slides prepared. Just in case, however, I set up TeamViewer on my dekstop in case I need something from there. Ofc, as the things go I did need it - namely there was minor mistake in one of my slides which needed to be corrected. One of the graphics was using incorrect data. And while very inconvenient (very small screen, moderate lag using remote desktop across Atlantic, etc) it was possible to fire up my Matlab scripts and release them on the correct data folder walking through some tens of GB of data, producing right graphs and spitting them out in correct format to be inserted into my presentation. The Android device I was using is basically as cheap as it gets Chinese one (~150 EUR) Ainol novo Fire 7 while getting a mobile device with sufficient processing power and memory amount for that kind of thing would cost roughly the same as the desktop system and would be non up gradable and still relatively out of date in few years.
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PC Gaming isn't dying they are killing it with all the lame console ports. Bullet Storm ..Need I say more? Okay you want more .. Crysis 2. You had to make me go there. Crysis 2 is the reason I've never played Crysis 3 but as blatant of a console port as Crysis 3 was it could not dethrone the reigning king of Consolia ...Far Cry 2 . Yeah I'm still crying from afar.

I would have included the game RAGE to the list but I really don't know how to classify that one. So for now lets just file it under TRAIN WRECK.
Edited by tinmann - 7/31/13 at 4:28am
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Wow... Well, If I had a internet connection that didnt have a massive ping I would invest more money into a decent computer rather than consoles. Thats basically the only reason why I have a console at the moment...

There are single player games on PC as well you know wink.gif

Of course, but due to not having a good internet connection I never bothered getting a good PC... Don't see the point if I can't do anything much. haha
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