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That said, this is a contrary position in your argument. Flagships as of right now tend to ship with 1080p screens, so if a phone doesn't have a 1080p screen it's probably going to be complained at by reviewers etc unless it can justify itself. If 1080p is too much for a phone like a Note II, why should a 4.3" phone have one?

I don't see any contradiction here. Everyone has their own definition of what a flagship phone is - as an example, the HTC One likely wouldn't meet some people's definition of a flagship phone due to its 4MP camera - I really applaud HTC for taking that risk and not participating in the megapixel race.

Since I'm the one buying the phone, shouldn't I be going with my definition of what a flagship phone is, rather than Samsung's or HTC's or some reviewer's definition?
Edited by Peon - 7/27/13 at 6:40pm
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I was in the same boat a couple of weeks ago. All those 5" phones were way too big. Eventually I did decide on the Xperia Z for a number of reasons and I have to say: it's not that bad in terms of size. Pocket is a bit fuller but overall, it's a better experience with the bigger screen. Reading news / mails and typing (!) with the phone not in landscape mode is a much more enjoyable experience.
I suggest going to a shop and get a feel for these 5" phones and see if they are really too big. I have rather small hands BTW.

Right now there isn't anything out there that combines decent specs with a moderate size. All the the mini-versions of the flagships are overpriced IMHO . Sony ZR is a smaller version (4.6") of the Z but does lack some of the stuff and ROM-development. It was also more expensive in my region for some reason so I would have paid more for less... An other Sony device I considered was the SP, really solid device, big battery, 4.6" 720p display but underwhelming TFT panel when you look from the sides (like the XZ). It felt really solid though, I'm pretty sure I could use it as a hammer if the occasion called for it.

However, Sony's new flagship, the "honami" will have a smaller version with comparable hardware and a good design / build quality. Definitely something to look into and perhaps even wait for. Google "honami mini".

The new Google Phone: Moto X is rumoured (confirmed?) to be 4.7 ". Still bigger than 4.3 but less than 5 I suppose ...
HTC One S is pretty far from a high-end phone and HTC has said it won't get updates anymore. One X+ is decent but mediocre battery life and 4.7" as well. Nothing to get excited about really.

On an other note: Don't blindly look at spec sheets. 720p is more than enough for 4.3 and up, even sufficient for 5". 1080p is overkill TBH . Since you said you use it primarely for calling etc. so I suppose you don't game a lot or won't run benchmarks 24/7 on your phone. Therefore I wouldn't stress too much about what CPU / GPU / RAM is in the phone. I mean, I really don't feel like my XZ is a lot smoother than my previous Samsung Galaxy S Advance (one notch below the S2). Not having millions of widgets and animations + 100 news / social media / weather apps running in the background will do a lot more for fluidity IMHO .


PS: mandatory disclaimer for OCN nowadays rolleyes.gif : I'm not a Sony fanboy... The One Mini is plasticky and doesn't look nearly as premium as it's bigger brother, the S4 mini looks a bit like the S4 but has laughable specs for the price ...

TL;DR: Nope, there's nothing right now that is 4.3" AND has exciting spec-wise. Personally, best bet would be to look into the "Honami mini" from Sony and perhaps wait for more news or its release. My 2 cents

EDIT: minor corrections after proofreading
Edited by Bloitz - 7/28/13 at 7:15am
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That said, this is a contrary position in your argument. Flagships as of right now tend to ship with 1080p screens, so if a phone doesn't have a 1080p screen it's probably going to be complained at by reviewers etc unless it can justify itself. If 1080p is too much for a phone like a Note II, why should a 4.3" phone have one?

I don't see any contradiction here. Everyone has their own definition of what a flagship phone is - as an example, the HTC One likely wouldn't meet some people's definition of a flagship phone due to its 4MP camera - I really applaud HTC for taking that risk and not participating in the megapixel race.

Since I'm the one buying the phone, shouldn't I be going with my definition of what a flagship phone is, rather than Samsung's or HTC's or some reviewer's definition?

The contradiction is that you denigrate the high end models for packing "...ridiculous battery sucking 1080p screens on this generation's phones...", after having said that you want "top of the line hardware in a smaller package.". I'm pointing out that the two positions are not reconcilable - flagships pack 1080p screens, so you're going to have to decide where you want the sacrifice to be - portability, or screen resolution (and with it high end specs).

Further, the definition of flagship, is
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The ship in a fleet that carries the commanding admiral.
The best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization.

Obviously the ship reference (from where the word is derived) isn't relevant here, and per your example, the HTC One (despite its camera's lower MP count) is indeed the fastest, most powerful, and best (in terms of specs) device HTC currently produce, hence it's a flagship, and the HTC One Mini is a derivative of it (and perhaps a phone that meets your desires better than the One does).

I don't deny you should have your own criteria of what an optimal device should be to you, but you don't have the liberty of changing what "flagship" means.
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Verizon is going to have a Droid Mini released at the end of August.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=6977

4.3" 720P screen
2GB Ram
Great CPU
Basically stock Android 4.2

It's a nice phone for the size.
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Further, the definition of flagship, is
Obviously the ship reference (from where the word is derived) isn't relevant here, and per your example, the HTC One (despite its camera's lower MP count) is indeed the fastest, most powerful, and best (in terms of specs) device HTC currently produce, hence it's a flagship, and the HTC One Mini is a derivative of it (and perhaps a phone that meets your desires better than the One does).

I don't deny you should have your own criteria of what an optimal device should be to you, but you don't have the liberty of changing what "flagship" means.

So how do you reconcile that definition with the fact that Samsung frequently has multiple flagship phones, most recently being the coexistence of the Galaxy S3 and Note 2?
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Further, the definition of flagship, is
Obviously the ship reference (from where the word is derived) isn't relevant here, and per your example, the HTC One (despite its camera's lower MP count) is indeed the fastest, most powerful, and best (in terms of specs) device HTC currently produce, hence it's a flagship, and the HTC One Mini is a derivative of it (and perhaps a phone that meets your desires better than the One does).

I don't deny you should have your own criteria of what an optimal device should be to you, but you don't have the liberty of changing what "flagship" means.

So how do you reconcile that definition with the fact that Samsung frequently has multiple flagship phones, most recently being the coexistence of the Galaxy S3 and Note 2?

Well, they're different classes of devices aren't they? It's like cars - you can have a BMW 3 series, 5 series, 7 series, etc. No matter how much you spec up a 3 series, it's still a 3 series, and will lack some features (even if it's design wise) that the 5 series has. That's not to say that the 3 series is irrelevant / pointless, but it's not the top of the line model. Top of the line 3-series yes, but not top of the line BMW. It's the same thing here.

Secondly (for sake of clarity I'll speak of the present situation with the S4 then move back to the S3), the S4 (no additive / modifier) is the fastest phone they have - highest screen res, octa-core (not true for all of them, to be fair) and so on. Considered as a whole, it's te current flagship. The note 2 and mega 5.8 / 6.3 have lower res screens, the s4 active has a lower res screen and camera as well, the s4 mini / zoom have lower res screens, too as well as a weaker processor, and so on. The s4 has the newest version (with everything included) version of touchwiz and ships with the latest (but not newest - latest for samsung) version of android as well, something the note 2 is still waiting for iirc. I will just point out there, that I have done so, but it's slightly unfair (at least at the present moment) to count 4.3, as that came out officially just less than a week ago and so obviously the only devices running it (officially) are Nexus devices.

I want to comment on device changes (not-superficial ones, but functional ones) as well (I'll switch to the S3 since I'm more familiar with it though). The S3 had 2 (at least) international versions, and 1 US version, with differences in CPU / ram / radios. They all fall under the same device name and were for the most part indistinguishable (performance wise as well) from each other. I make mention of this, because if there was a true, Galaxy S III Mini with all the specs of the S III in a smaller size then I think it would legitimately be able to be called a flagship. Sadly Samsung don't seem to want to do that.

Don't get me wrong - the note 3 is probably going to be a faster device and will be their flagship on launch unless they cripple it in some way or come out with something better before then. Other than that, for now, the s4 is the current flagship. And the same case applies to the note 2 / s3 comparison.
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