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The temash part in the benchmark is 8-15W.... not 4W. A4-1200 was not benched, the A6-1450 was. Even if Bay Trail T fails to meet its power consumption goals by huge amounts it wont be even close to 15W. It's a CPU meant to compete with high end ARM SOCs in tablet and maybe high end phones.

Nope, the T in baytrail-t pretty much stands for tablets only. silvermont and merrifield will be in phones and maybe people will buy them when they get LTE implemented in 2015.
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From 35 minutes ago.

http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/55102/AMD_gotova_dat_otpor_Bay_Trail.html

AMD is ready to repulse Bay Trail

After hearing what the impressive resources, Intel is going to devote the creation of class processors Atom, some analysts on the quarterly report conference could not resist the temptation to ask the leadership of AMD, it thinks about it. Note that during a speech in front of a section of questions and answers AMD representatives repeatedly referred to the processors Kabini and Temash as the products are in good demand from customers.

According to officials of AMD, manufacturer pleased with how fast cores and graphics processors Kabini and Temash. Guest these processors are very pleased with AMD. Compared with Intel, which is just getting ready to begin expansion Bay Trail processor to market, AMD has an important advantage - it already offers its hybrid processors. In these processors the ability to resist the decisions of Intel, AMD has no doubts. This segment will be for the company of one of the major growth points.

AMD is going to maintain the competitiveness of their products in this sector in the future. The next year is scheduled announcement of processors Beema, which will replace the Kabini, and in 2015 will feature processors Nolan . As noted earlier today, AMD feels comfortable in the segment of mobile devices cost from $ 300 to $ 600, and the confrontation with the Bay Trail will not require excessive effort from the company.

AMD says AMD will do just fine.

Well isn't that surprising.

I'd rather see benchmarks than pointless PR drivel. As I pointed out, the benches posted previously have little relevance as the AMD parts aren't in the same power consumption range as the intel one at all. Actually, a ~3W intel part coming that close to a 8-15W AMD part should be pretty scary for AMD. But obviously they're going to tell the press otherwise. You'd have to be naive to think AMD wouldn't say what helps their bottom line.
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Nope, the T in baytrail-t pretty much stands for tablets only. silvermont and merrifield will be in phones and maybe people will buy them when they get LTE implemented in 2015.

which is why I said maybe. You know there's some chinese manufacturer that's going to stuff a bay trail T in a phone. And maybe we'll see one in a phablet or something. All we know that Bay Trail T devices aren't out yet.
Edited by Alatar - 7/18/13 at 11:40pm
 
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The temash part in the benchmark is 8-15W.... not 4W. A4-1200 was not benched, the A6-1450 was. Even if Bay Trail T fails to meet its power consumption goals by huge amounts it wont be even close to 15W. It's a CPU meant to compete with high end ARM SOCs in tablet and maybe high end phones.

You are wrong, that 8-15 W is about whole system not the cpu itself. You compared apples with grape. 15 W for a whole system with a quad core in is very well. Anyway that Intel biased benchmarks made you wrong. They put there some numbers to confuse the reader.
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right now there is the AMD which offers slightly better CPU and better GPU at a higher TDP/ power cost and you certainly wont see that in a phone/ smaller tablets and there is intel which offers just adequate CPU and GPU combo at a lower TDP that wiggles itself into the arm race

the only way they could revive atom brand is by offering atlest past generation celeron performance(no older then core2) while maintaining TDP and boost that GPU up to be competitive.

the name is great just fail marketing with lack luster performance and back then intel didnt see arm as a threat and neglected netbooks

right now all i can see is that they are fighting for different space, AMD is fighting for the slimbook/ windows tablet space against ULVs and i cant see them going smaller then 10" in screen size

while intel is fighting off arm in phone and a smaller tablet =<8" space, no reason they wont shove an atom in the 10" surface though but it wont go bigger then that

2 factors intel is looking at and they are performance and battery life and AMD cant compete on battery life at this stage

the only thing AMD can offer is a better CPU/GPU package

dont forget these atoms would eventually go into NAS boxes, thin clients and sold in bulk to server farms for cheap seedboxes or what not
Edited by akromatic - 7/18/13 at 11:57pm
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You are wrong, that 8-15 W is about whole system not the cpu itself. You compared apples with grape. 15 W for a whole system with a quad core in is very well. Anyway that Intel biased benchmarks made you wrong. They put there some numbers to confuse the reader.

The 8-15W is for the SOC. Bay Trail T is also a SOC. No one measures power consumption for the CPU portion only when it comes to SOCs.

And as for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you even mean. All I saw was a geekbench graph with CPUs in it that were in different power consumption ranges. And of course the bench was used without extra information to 'prove' that AMD's parts already beat the future bay trail T ones. And of course the graph was presented without the tiny little detail of AMD having multiple times the power consumption of the intel part in question.
 
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I hadn't really thought about it from their perspective before. As a customer, I see Atom and think of a horrible product to be avoided at all costs. I can see how that might not be desirable.

I'm in the same boat as far as hearing 'Intel Atom' and automatically imagining the driving force behind a TI85 calculator.

Intel's problem (and keep in mind I have a 3930 and find AMD's products, particularly their CPUs, to be utter garbage) is that their netbook/mobile stuff is pretty horrible. Sure they can re-brand it, but unless performance gets significantly better, whatever they end up re-branding to is just going to end up having the same connotation.

Edit: I should say that if I was going to build a cheap gaming computer for less than a grand, I'd buy an AMD GPU. But their CPUs are horrendous.
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Even at 50 bucks, a 100 dollar GPU would destroy any APU in that price range.


I wouldn't pair a celeron with such a gpu ( roughly 7770) personally.
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There's no comparison between low-end atoms and low-end celerons/pentiums. I went from a 2.2Ghz Atom N270 to a 1.5Ghz Celeron B800. Difference is night and day.
It's true that when i see atom i just walk away. Installing Win7 on my old netbook, even with 3GBs of RAM and a NVIDIA ION was really terrible. Overclocking helped though.
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My dual-core N330 with ION couldn't handle 720P Youtube very well, or HD Netflix AT ALL. It could handle playing 1080P Bluray rips though, as long as nothing at all was running in the background.

It was marketed as a media machine, and failed horribly at most of the tasks.

I rest my case.
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Even at 50 bucks, a 100 dollar GPU would destroy any APU in that price range.

I remember explaining to someone that it's less cost efficient to get an i3 + dedicated GPU unless if you're play CPU heavy games such as Starcraft 2 or Planetside 2, or you really enjoy having high AA.

Do I have to do it again?
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