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Windows breaks down the the usage when reporting the activity. It isn't accurate. The only time that I have seen that any core usage reporting is correct is when I'm updating HoN (which is a single threaded application). It correctly shows core #0 at 100%.

I was uncertain of this because with some older applications, only 1 or 2 graphs will be utilized. But when i play Crysis 3 or battlefield 3, all 8 cores will have activity.
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I was uncertain of this because with some older applications, only 1 or 2 graphs will be utilized. But when i play Crysis 3 or battlefield 3, all 8 cores will have activity.
They have been properly threaded. However, from what I've heard/seen from other members of this forum - those only use up to 6 cores, which is while you may still see a CPU bottleneck, even though they do not hit 100% across all 8 cores. If anything, you should see a total saturation of 75% (on an octo-core) at peak. I have heard that C3 may be threaded for 8 cores, but the data the last two cores process are not much, therefore will not peak the last two cores to 100%
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MaxxMem for my 8350 was 10 gb/s while my 4770k does 24 gb/s.

try AIDA64. MaxMemm is not optimized for AMD.

With AIDA64 the results on my i7 vs 8320 much closer. like 23gb/sec read 17gb/sec write.

here is Metro LL benchmark on my systems smile.gif

FX 8320@3.7 GTX 760
Average Framerate: 35.33
Max. Framerate: 72.37
Min. Framerate: 12.33

i7 3770@3.4 GTX 660 TI
Average Framerate: 34.00
Max. Framerate: 92.99
Min. Framerate: 17.90
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The FX8350 is a great processor for gaming and in generally. Most people don't like them or dog them really because it says AMD on it and it's not fear at all..

A lot of games use more cores then ppl really think for 1 simple reason.

1. Do they even look at task manager too see what there doing.

Here is a pic I just fired GTA IV the worst ported game ever too come to PC or one of them. I jump into a car not a very fast one and drive in and out of traffic for a couple of minutes and then bounce out and look at task manager and this is what I see it still uses more then 4 cores it does use one core more then others but the others don't do nothing.




These are all the games I've played and then see how many cores they really use and there's quite a few of them. I can do what I have done with GTA IV if you really want proof or if u own a cpu with more then 4 cores try it your self u might be surprised. I hadn't finished yet forgot Deus Ex HR, and Skyrim I played both yesterday and forgot to note them but Skyrim was using more then one core.

CPU % in Games.txt 1k .txt file

Also like to add GTA IV, and Skyrim were the only games that were modded GTA IV only has ICE enhancer I believe and Skyrim doen't matter because I forgot too add it but it was heavily modded smile.gif
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The FX8350 is a great processor for gaming and in generally. Most people don't like them or dog them really because it says AMD on it and it's not fear at all..

A lot of games use more cores then ppl really think for 1 simple reason.

1. Do they even look at task manager too see what there doing.
Picture (Click to show)

First: I love my 8350. I'm not dogging on it.

Anyway, you cannot use task manager.... Windows divides the usage up when reporting. The fact is: the code of games may not be able to be ran across multiple cores. It is impossible. Further proof is when you are playing a game and CPU usage is 25%, and yet GPU utilization is low as well. (No, I'm not talking about using VSync/FPS lock)

The only thing that matters is this: Picture (Click to show)
Whatever that value says is what the game is capable of using. This is an example pic of a load of idle tasks, so don't think I'm trying anything funny with it. For Skyrim, I will see that value go to 25% MAX. 13% MAX for WoW. (If I remember right) 75% MAX for C3. The core usage chart doesn't mean a damn thing.
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First: I love my 8350. I'm not dogging on it.

Anyway, you cannot use task manager.... Windows divides the usage up when reporting. The fact is: the code of games may not be able to be ran across multiple cores. It is impossible. Further proof is when you are playing a game and CPU usage is 25%, and yet GPU utilization is low as well. (No, I'm not talking about using VSync/FPS lock)

The only thing that matters is this: Picture (Click to show)
Whatever that value says is what the game is capable of using. This is an example pic of a load of idle tasks, so don't think I'm trying anything funny with it. For Skyrim, I will see that value go to 25% MAX. 13% MAX for WoW. (If I remember right) 75% MAX for C3. The core usage chart doesn't mean a damn thing.[/quote]

So if that value goes to 60 is that 60% max and your example of 13% max would that equal a value of 13 in the cpu section of processes in task manager. Also in my first pic of my GTA graph one core is running about 80% another 40% 30% and so on down to a cuple of % where in this graph of FC3 I did little while ago there pretty much even all around and stay that until that game is closed if what u say is true "Windows divides the usage up when reporting" why wouldn't it be like this graph well whenever there was a load on the cpu.
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So if that value goes to 60 is that 60% max and your example of 13% max would that equal a value of 13 in the cpu section of processes in task manager. Also in my first pic of my GTA graph one core is running about 80% another 40% 30% and so on down to a cuple of % where in this graph of FC3 I did little while ago there pretty much even all around and stay that until that game is closed if what u say is true "Windows divides the usage up when reporting" why wouldn't it be like this graph well whenever there was a load on the cpu.
I really have a hard time reading things without punctuation - I'm not trying to be rude, it's just that I have a REALLY hard time. It's something weird with my brain, it's harder than the usual person.
Anyway, do not pay attention to the graph. The graph logs total usage, you want to look under the "Processes" tab. It's the CPU category. Your CPU may be running 60%, but the game MIGHT using 50% while background tasks are using 10%. That would mean the game is quad threaded. It could also mean that the game is capable of using 6 threads, but the tasks that a couple threads are managing do not need the entire CPU strength to run them. For an example, your HUD may be dedicated to a thread, however it only needs half the strength of one of your cores, making it use roughly 6% of your CPU. It is really complicated, but believe me when I say this:

You do not need your CPU to be at 100%, or even 50%, for it to be a bottleneck.
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Oh I see good too know damn software.
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Than what is the diffidence between a single threaded and a multi-threaded? in gaming i mean because i am looking to upgrade my self.... would i really need to worry about that, i also play games. thanks
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Single thread = one thread (core). Dual thread/quad = two/four threads (cores). Multithread = more than one.

The graph lies. Look at the processes tab, and the CPU column. Also watch your GPU utilization. If GPU hits 100%, than it is the bottleneck. If it's below 90%, than check the CPU usage. For 8 core CPU's, 13% = single threaded; 25% = dual threaded; 50% = quad threaded; 75%; 100%... etc.

So some games, 8XX0 owners may see 75% usage, which means the game can use 6 threads. Some games can gobble all you cores too...
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