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Does adaptive mean you leave the volt setting to auto not a static volt?
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Just for fun and giggles, I put the VCCIN at AUTO and set LLC at lowest. During prime, it just turned off. Guess THAT'S what happens when VCCIN is too low. Sometimes I wonder if there is actually no reason to up the VCCIN if you are not getting resets when stress testing. Perhaps when people say that it made their CPU stable, it actually hasn't and just a coincidence that it didn't fail. It might crash another time.
Vccin is quite important voltage, maybe not as much as vcroe, but it adds to stability. Its crucial in getting those 1:1 cache overclocks stable. If you play with it you notice, it is also tied to ring voltage, too less of vccin - 101 bsod, too much - 124 bsod.
For 4.3 cache i needed only 1.620 vrin, while for 4.4 1.750 vrin. Vcore from 4.3 to 4.4 stayed almost the same (i probably overvolted 4.3 oc) but it needed 1.750 vrin, no less! Going to default - auto resulted in 124 bsod.
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Username: Flopper
CPU Model: 4670k
Core Multiplier:47
CPU VID: 1.3v
Vcore:
Uncore Multiplier: 45
Uncore Voltage: auto
Cooling Solution: watercoolling custom
Stability Test: aida64 and all things I use the comp for.
Batch Number: 310-444
Ram Speed: xmp

It can do more (boot into windows at 4.9ghz) but need a delidd to get temps down as it hits 90+ running fpu testing in seconds.

Results charted. thumb.gif

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I reset my bios back to default settings, turned off Xmp ram settings, used gigabyte easy tune to 4gh. With auto volts it does 1.18 on 100% cpu usage with prime 95 on small fft or blend test max temp 66


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Vccin is quite important voltage, maybe not as much as vcroe, but it adds to stability. Its crucial in getting those 1:1 cache overclocks stable. If you play with it you notice, it is also tied to ring voltage, too less of vccin - 101 bsod, too much - 124 bsod.
For 4.3 cache i needed only 1.620 vrin, while for 4.4 1.750 vrin. Vcore from 4.3 to 4.4 stayed almost the same (i probably overvolted 4.3 oc) but it needed 1.750 vrin, no less! Going to default - auto resulted in 124 bsod.

My understanding 124 is lack of vcore. Vccin from what I see is only useful for overclocks dealing with an already high vcore. I don't recall setting 2.0vccin ever curing anything for me personally, in the end 9c bsod was never cured by that.

 

The 1:1 cache ratio isn't magically much faster than 1:0.95 or 1:0.90 or 1:0.73 (the setting I tested). The difference in that extra what, 400mhz uncore from my own settings after ringing up the vring and getting a safe higher uncore OC? Won't even reach speed increase of 100mhz, more like ~30mhz core clock. [1.4ghz uncore change changing performance about 100mhz core, just gotta do some math]. If you disagree, just look at the benchmarks shown in the first post of this thread.

 

You should be overclocking core before uncore, and the main factor for uncore stability is vring not vccin. Vccin just ensures the CPU is pulling in enough power for all the components, just upping Vccin alone should not be able to get you from an overclock that was just stable-pre-Vccin-tweak into stable after moving the multiplier up one.

 

Personally after going through to 1.35, to 1.39, to 1.41, to 1.47, to 1.5v, I did not encounter a time where upping vccin definitively provided the stability I needed. And from patrolling a thousand replies in this thread, many people have a similar story.

 

 

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I reset my bios back to default settings, turned off Xmp ram settings, used gigabyte easy tune to 4gh. With auto volts it does 1.18 on 100% cpu usage with prime 95 on small fft or blend test max temp 66


You didn't show the vcore reading, only VID.

Edited by Darkwizzie - 8/23/13 at 6:21am
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How do i show vcore?
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Is that the vcore?


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How do i show vcore?

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Looks like my vcore is 1.2
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Yes, that is the vcore.

If adaptive is working, when you're not under major load that voltage should drop to a low voltage. It has been known to increase above what you set manually into BIOS.

 

I assume this isn't your final overclock so I won't chart this.

 

==

Just to clear this up:

 

The VID in the chart is the Vcore you input into the BIOS.

The Vcore reading on my chart stands for the maximum Vcore reading under load.


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