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In fact, if you go to this guy’s forum you’ll come across this OC guide (nice and long to keep ads revenues high), where the guy practically begs for the big tech companies to notice him and send him ‘goodies’ to “review” ( http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/41234-intel-haswell-4670k-4770k-overclocking-guide/ )

ummm not true at all so shut up making libelous claims please quote where he is begging for free stuff ?

That guide you linked is one I used in combination with Darkwizzies as while Wizzies is more technical and detailed Prokons guides you through the process step by step in a much clearer format which for someone new to haswell was extremely helpful along with wizzies info
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But looking at your guide and the video the basics is the same. I am actually supprised that I could get 80C on aida64 with actual voltage @ 1.34v cause of overiding voltage from stress test so i think my chip might run pretty cool and i still suspect not knowing how to overclock haswell I think it was the memory. I also don't trust ASUS auto tuning as it will try to run my memory @ 2400MHz when it can't. According to the video 1.65V is still fine on the RAM so will leave it there even on stock speeds for now and test overclocking.

The basics are the same doesn't mean the method is the same... Suit yourself, I've spent long enough testing each setting and busting them myths.

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The basics are the same doesn't mean the method is the same... Suit yourself, I've spent long enough testing each setting and busting them myths.

Well the guide here is abit unclear for someone new to haswell. So That's why I fin it hard to follow the guide here and in the video it's much more basic. And they don't sit 1 day and work with it they work for many days on testing it.
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ummm not true at all so shut up making libelous claims please quote where he is begging for free stuff ?

In the first video on that OC guide:
first begging - minute 6:29
second begging - minute 7:07
third begging - minute 10:46
there might be more but i won't bother with it...

Also, the fact he is using IBT as a stress test ONLY, kinda plays well into the "milk & sugar" notion. I can pass IBT stress test at 4.3 with 1.285V but need 1.31 for x264 and i will never know how
much i need for prime or linpack until i delid or build a custom loop.
I watched those videos in full about 2 moths ago, so even if he mentions other stress tools he still uses IBT for his (maybe aida too ?!?).
I'm not saying the guy doesn't know how to OC, only that for the scope of his guide,he leaves out some of the 'nasty' stuff that some people will encounter thus making it sound better (milk and
sugar).
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Well the guide here is abit unclear for someone new to haswell. So That's why I fin it hard to follow the guide here and in the video it's much more basic. And they don't sit 1 day and work with it they work for many days on testing it.

And what makes you think I only spent a day on this guide?

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In the first video on that OC guide:
first begging - minute 6:29
second begging - minute 7:07
third begging - minute 10:46
there might be more but i won't bother with it...

Also, the fact he is using IBT as a stress test ONLY, kinda plays well into the "milk & sugar" notion. I can pass IBT stress test at 4.3 with 1.285V but need 1.31 for x264 and i will never know how
much i need for prime or linpack until i delid or build a custom loop.
I watched those videos in full about 2 moths ago, so even if he mentions other stress tools he still uses IBT for his (maybe aida too ?!?).
I'm not saying the guy doesn't know how to OC, only that for the scope of his guide,he leaves out some of the 'nasty' stuff that some people will encounter thus making it sound better (milk and
sugar).

Didn't watch the videos so didn't realise, is kinda corny but I'm sure he knows saying it in a vid that kingston and nvidia likely will never watch isn't the way to go about getting stuff for reviewing purposes

So what if he only tests on IBT ? I thought we already came to agreement throughout Wizzies whole thread there is right or wrong method for stability testing it's down to the overclocker and what he deems stable which is one of the reasons I tried pushing for a set standard for stability test to make his list more valid and meaningful in a scientific sense smile.gif

At an entry level Prokon's guide is perfectly fine, it's well laid out, deals with all the basics and guides you step by step. I actually went to this guide myself because I found Wizzie's a little confusing in the process to do things as Wizzies is more detailed but goes over things previously stated but there's no "Do this first then that then do this" clearly layed out so for a person new to UEFI bios' and haswells it's easy to get in lost in all the information. AndI think if Wizzie did a little conclusion at the end of his guide with this kind of step by step process just to clearly outline it then I think his guide would be perfect for both newbies & experienced readers and make his guide just that little bit better than it already is.
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Didn't watch the videos so didn't realise, is kinda corny but I'm sure he knows saying it in a vid that kingston and nvidia likely will never watch isn't the way to go about getting stuff for reviewing purposes

So what if he only tests on IBT ? I thought we already came to agreement throughout Wizzies whole thread there is right or wrong method for stability testing it's down to the overclocker and what he deems stable which is one of the reasons I tried pushing for a set standard for stability test to make his list more valid and meaningful in a scientific sense smile.gif

At an entry level Prokon's guide is perfectly fine, it's well laid out, deals with all the basics and guides you step by step. I actually went to this guide myself because I found Wizzie's a little confusing in the process to do things as Wizzies is more detailed but goes over things previously stated but there's no "Do this first then that then do this" clearly layed out so for a person new to UEFI bios' and haswells it's easy to get in lost in all the information. AndI think if Wizzie did a little conclusion at the end of his guide with this kind of step by step process just to clearly outline it then I think his guide would be perfect for both newbies & experienced readers and make his guide just that little bit better than it already is.
 
  1. Set Uncore (AKA Ring Bus) to core ratio to manual. Set it to stock multiplier manually. With ring bus running on stock and locked at stock for now, no need to fiddle with ring bus voltage. That goes to auto. Some motherboards MAY increase Vring to unsafe levels if you didn't manually set ring bus to stock because the motherboard will try to auto-overclock the ring bus if left on auto. Avoid future headaches by following step 1.
  2. Set any XMP profile OFF for ram. If your ram is above 1600, set it to 1600, no higher while we're testing overclocks. Heck, if your ram is XMP'ed for 1600, lower it to non XMP. Doesn't hurt.
  3. Start ramping up the core multiplier and voltage until you think you've found your sweet spot. You might need to increase input voltage from the motherboard-set setting once you hit higher voltages. More on that later. Do stress test and if you pass, go to step 4. NOTE: Yes, you up the core multiplier by 1 each time. You can probably get away with starting at 4ghz though. Because the core clock is 100, 100 x 40 = 4000mhz or 4ghz. 
  4. Now we fiddle with ram, higher ring bus/ring bus voltage in effort to get marginally better performance. Stress test. Do not raise ring bus or ram if it means lowering core clock for stability.
  5. If you are hardcore or have a lot of time on your hands, you can try adding clockstrap to the mix but I'd stay away from it unless you're super duper picky. Nobody has reported very good results with this but you're welcome to experiment.
  6. Set Cstates to ON to C7.
  7. Have a glass of iced tea. :applaud:

 

I think this is clear enough. I'm not sure what part is confusing or unclear. It looks clear to me (obviously, or I would have fixed it until I could understand my own guide, lol). The terminologies and every possible nickname each mobo vendor might call it is listed twice in the entire guide, once in the actual instruction, another in the Still Stuck? section.

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I came to hasewel from AMD. I knew nothing of overclocking intel and less of haswell. Your guide is clear. I did read it many times. Heck I reread often. The mobo companies kinda screw it up naming the same things different names.You explained that though.
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[*] Start ramping up the core multiplier and voltage until you think you've found your sweet spot. You might need to increase input voltage from the motherboard-set setting once you hit higher voltages. More on that later. Do stress test and if you pass, go to step 4. NOTE: Yes, you up the core multiplier by 1 each time. You can probably get away with starting at 4ghz though. Because the core clock is 100, 100 x 40 = 4000mhz or 4ghz. 

It was this that was confusing at first, until I followed the steps how Prokon describes (note I was just following his order process but with your info) as I wasn't sure at first whether to ramp multi and voltage at same time or one or the other as well as not being sure within the uefi where input voltage was as it had a different name and I know if it confused me at first it's going to confuse others as well. I actually ended up with a combination of your guide, the gigabyte guide & prokon's guide to make sure I was doing it right so I didn't screw anything up first time as the last time I overclocked was with my e6750 and things have moved on alot since then.

So don't take offence I'm not picking at your guide as it's brilliant but it can be confusing for some who are either rusty or totally new, not everyone is able to understand things from first reading so sometimes having it layed out as simply possible and a large amount of steps (ie prokon's guide) is much easier for them
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So what if he only tests on IBT ? I thought we already came to agreement throughout Wizzies whole thread there is right or wrong method for stability testing it's down to the overclocker and what he deems stable which is one of the reasons I tried pushing for a set standard for stability test to make his list more valid and meaningful in a scientific sense smile.gif

I totally agree as long as we talk about synthetic tests, but x264 is a ‘real world’ application. So for an OC to be stable it must pass a real world task that the stock CPU can. As long as gaming is the most intensive task you use than IBT is probably enough.
But more importantly, you claim these guides (any of them) are most useful to beginners.., but for that to be true, they (the guides/guiders) must point out the possible/probable shortcomings of the OC procedure in regards to real world factors (heat, the weak balance between core multi and cache of this architecture, etc..), that this guide (and discussion thread) covers more than any other i’ve read. There’s no need for legitimate guides to brag about the (sometimes suspicious) huge OC capabilities of this architecture. That is what the commercial reviews are for (to take away the responsibility of the claims from Intel).
Don’t get me wrong, this thread and guide didn’t help me much. But for beginners and those that hit a “wall” it is one of the better places to start.
The only way this guide/thread helped me (from previous OC knowledge) was to stress the importance of cache ratio and voltage. It still didn’t get me anywhere because my cpu needs too much vcore, but i will come back on that (cache ratio/voltage) with something that has not been covered here that might help others too.., ONLY after i do a little more testing.
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