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Originally Posted by coelacanth View Post

I'm still not clear on the difference between Adaptive, Manual, and Offset. What's wrong with Manual?

BTW, you were correct about the Vring. I must have had the min and max frequency the same when I noted that (though I could have sworn I checked).

So here is my take:

Intel adds a boost in vcore when in adaptive or offset mode. I believe it must be be because the advance AVX requires more Vcore. The evidence is there if you run for stability using P95 V29.7 vs P95 v28.x. They cannot boost manual voltage by definition.

So, if you OC with manual using realbench, x264 or other application that doesn't use AVX (o rP95 v27.9 or earlier in my experience), you may get a lower voltage but not be stable against advanced AVX

If you OC manual and test for stability with V28.x of P94, then you will be stable for advanced AVX, but you wuold be running at higher vcore than needed when not using AVX instructions.

With adaptive (and I believe) offset, you can test for stabilization with P95 v28.x and run at the needed boosted vcore only when necessary, usually running at a lower Vcore.

The main difference between offset and adaptive is that adaptive won't drop your voltage below stock when idling. This can happen with negative offsets in offset mode, and can result in idle instabilities.

I haven't tested with offset, so I don't now for sure whether it boosts vcore for AVX like adaptive does. I will try this now and report back.
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Yes, on the Asus Hero, offset mode gets the Vcore boost same as adaptive mode. So the only difference may be the way the voltage is handled at idle.
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Does anyone know how high of a vcore is acceptable for a 24/7 overclock?
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Does anyone know how high of a vcore is acceptable for a 24/7 overclock?

unless you are delided you will run out of thermal headroom before you reach voltage max. But on the extreme high side I say 1.45v. personally I set my vcore to 1.38 but it can run up to 1.41 under load for my 24/7 @ 4.7ghz. My temps are very low though. it never goes above 65c unless I am stress testing.

I have ran prime 95 with 1.47vcore and 2.20 input voltage and nothing got damaged just toasty.
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Does anyone know how high of a vcore is acceptable for a 24/7 overclock?

~1.2 - 1.5v depending on how nuts you are and how temps are
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~1.2 - 1.5v depending on how nuts you are and how temps are
1.5 scares me tongue.gif
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unless you are delided you will run out of thermal headroom before you reach voltage max. But on the extreme high side I say 1.45v. personally I set my vcore to 1.38 but it can run up to 1.41 under load for my 24/7 @ 4.7ghz. My temps are very low though. it never goes above 65c unless I am stress testing.

I have ran prime 95 with 1.47vcore and 2.20 input voltage and nothing got damaged just toasty.

Thanks for the input. I've got a moody chip. I'm not so worried about my cooling but my chip requires above 1.35 for a stable 4.5. Currently running at 1.265 at 4.3.
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Okay, after mucho fiddling and testing, I've got the updated x264 stability test. I replaced the encoders with the newest ones (r2389 I think it is), ditched all the Avisynth stuff (which gets rid of all the problems with UAC and elevation), replaced the source file with a newer higher quality one (also larger), and changed some of the settings to do single pass and provide a better encode. I also deleted a bunch of the extraneous files and cleaned up the batch file. It is shorter than before, it took about 5 minutes per pass on my system, so you'll need to run more passes. but it also should stress the CPU more, and run a little hotter - for me it was about the same temps as Prime 27.9 running 1344K FFTs.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/9da97if5h4anhsm/Updated_x264_Stability_Test.zip

https://db.tt/RaCZz9TD
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