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Got a descent chip yesterday...

batch# 3333C costa rica

4.7ghz 1.29v adaptive 1.306v load played gw2 for couple of hours and some daoc/then went out for a couple drinks ran ixt for 3h 10mins (not long but not bad lol)

Non Delid atm max temp 83c using h100i performance mode

Uncore left on on auto for now

All other settings Auto

LLC 100%
CPU Power ability - Extreme 140% current capability

initial input v - 1.95
eventual input V - 1.91v

System Agent v - + 0.250v
IO v - +0.150

Ram 2400mhz - 1.655v

Asus Maximus formula


will try more later don't have any clu/clp on me but its onw ay
Edited by FractinJex - 3/4/14 at 6:22am
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It seems to me that the advantages of this approach are:
1. Full stability against all instructions
2. Lower vcore at non-AVX loads and the needed higher vcore on the AVX2/FMA3 instructions
3. No need to worry about accidentally running AVX on adaptive mode
4. No need to translate fixed volts to adaptive offset volts.

I note that the 27.9 AVX are stable at the lower voltage, I infer that this mean they really don't need a boost.

There are drawbacks to using fixed voltage to determine your overclock that this addresses:
1. You could do fixed and translate to offset and may or may not be stable for the FMA3/AVX2
2. If you do fixed against p95 v28.x, then translate this to an adaptive offset, when encountering AVX, the boost may overshoot your targeted vcore.

Some caveats:
1. I don't know if this "boost" intel gives varies from processor to processor, you would need to be careful
2. It may not be feasible (the boost) for higher overclocks. This just may mean higher overclocks aren't fully stable

I agree..... while I find manual potentially useful for determining potential ceilings, and what voltages those speeds may require, I don't spend much time with it. Couple of things I have noted:

1. Asus states that AVX adds ~ 0.10 volts and that this action is pre-programmed into the CPU by Intel .... it's in their forums in their overclocking guide.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33488-Maximus-VI-Series-UEFI-Guide-for-Overclocking
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There is one issue with Offset and Adaptive Mode that needs to be taken into account. The processor contains a power control unit which requests voltage based upon software load. When the PCU detects AVX instructions, it will ramp Vcore automatically beyond normal load voltage. There is no way to lock Vcore to prevent this if using Offset or Adapative Mode. This is pre-programmed by Intel into the PCU.

As an example, a CPU is perfectly stable at 1.25V using a manual voltage (static), if Adaptive or Offset Mode is used instead, it is impossible to lock the core voltage when running software that contains AVX instruction sets – stress tests such as AIDA and Prime contain AVX instruction sets. When the AVX instructions are detected by the PCU, the core voltage will be ramped an additional ~0.1V over your target voltage – so 1.25V will become ~1.35V under AVX load. If you intend to run heavy load AVX software, we recommend using Manual Vcore, NOT Adaptive or Offset Mode.

2. RoG Real Bench works well with Adative Mode testing
3. RoG Real Bench will show differences in performance with cache ratio changes. I took my multiplier down a notch for testing to 45 and did some tests....At the default 39 cache ratio, as a benchmark, tried 42,43, 44 and 45 42 was aboiut 3% faster on the image editing portion than 39..... the 42 - 45 showed differences that were in the tenths of a percentage points
4. The OpenCL portion of the test will very quickly show ya peak voltages.
5. I would not consider ever running a machine on a daily basis in manual mode.
6. Asus BIOS after 0804 borks previously stable OC's.
7. Don't know whether to blame Haswell, the new Asus BIOSs or the games themselves but some games just have issues. Metro2033 would freeze at one spot in the game..... that's it. BF3 crashes at all settings, even stock, but the frequency of the crashes increases as the OC steps up.
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I agree..... while I find manual potentially useful for determining potential ceilings, and what voltages those speeds may require, I don't spend much time with it. Couple of things I have noted:

1. Asus states that AVX adds ~ 0.10 volts and that this action is pre-programmed into the CPU by Intel .... it's in their forums in their overclocking guide.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33488-Maximus-VI-Series-UEFI-Guide-for-Overclocking
2. RoG Real Bench works well with Adative Mode testing
3. RoG Real Bench will show differences in performance with cache ratio changes. I took my multiplier down a notch for testing to 45 and did some tests....At the default 39 cache ratio, as a benchmark, tried 42,43, 44 and 45 42 was aboiut 3% faster on the image editing portion than 39..... the 42 - 45 showed differences that were in the tenths of a percentage points
4. The OpenCL portion of the test will very quickly show ya peak voltages.
5. I would not consider ever running a machine on a daily basis in manual mode.
6. Asus BIOS after 0804 borks previously stable OC's.
7. Don't know whether to blame Haswell, the new Asus BIOSs or the games themselves but some games just have issues. Metro2033 would freeze at one spot in the game..... that's it. BF3 crashes at all settings, even stock, but the frequency of the crashes increases as the OC steps up.

Wait what? BF3 crashes on stock?
I didn't even crash at BF3 with 4.6 which isn't chess stable/

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Wait what? BF3 crashes on stock?

I didn't even crash at BF3 with 4.6 which isn't chess stable/

lol yes the 0804 bios for most rog boards is the best I am using it now but the other/new bios's only require a tad more voltage they don't make stability issues at stock....not sure what he meant
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%100 stabil




What are you cooling with?
post #10716 of 19539
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What are you cooling with?


Noctua NH-D14 did, there are 4 fans noctua
post #10717 of 19539
Noctua NH-D14 did, there are 4 fans noctua, temperatures up to 61 degrees was fine



post #10718 of 19539
nice components





Edited by overclocktr - 3/4/14 at 9:01am
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I haven't seen that before (dual P12's) at the front.

I don't think ehume has tested the D14 like that either, if I'm recalling correctly. He did test fans in every location (front/mid/back) and all the other combinations, but never two in the front like that. Curious if it's that effective haha.
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I haven't seen that before (dual P12's) at the front.

I don't think ehume has tested the D14 like that either, if I'm recalling correctly. He did test fans in every location (front/mid/back) and all the other combinations, but never two in the front like that. Curious if it's that effective haha.

Same.

 

Should try out 10 fans in a row. Dear god that would be a sexy picture.

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