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Those refresh chips may not even be binned higher. I wouldnt be surprised if there are some 4690k chips that still cant clock past 4.4 rolleyes.gif
Edited by Wirerat - 3/8/14 at 2:15pm
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Not a big deal for me. The only new CPU I want is a Haswell Extreme. I want a Rampage V Extreme to match.
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Not a big deal for me. The only new CPU I want is a Haswell Extreme. I want a Rampage V Extreme to match.
those should have soldered ihs ?
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Unless Intel changes their current pattern of behavior I expect flux less solder for Haswell Extreme. With all those cores I doubt crappy TIM will work as well as it does (or doesn't smile.gif ) for Ivy Bridge and Haswell.
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Why are you asking me to do this??

It was the logical next step in the conversation. It had been stated that Real Bench didn't have AVX and that it wasn't producing the 0.1 voltage bump. That would be the way to validate the question either way.
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It was the logical next step in the conversation. It had been stated that Real Bench didn't have AVX and that it wasn't producing the 0.1 voltage bump. That would be the way to validate the question either way.

I don't follow you. Anything I run with AVX or AVX2 gives me a core voltage of .016 over a non-AVX stress like p95 v25.11 or AIDA64 CPU only. Why do you want me to spend my time running something I already have run?
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It had been stated that Real Bench didn't have AVX and that it wasn't producing the 0.1 voltage bump.

A large part of realbench is x264 encoding which uses avx2
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I don't follow you. Anything I run with AVX or AVX2 gives me a core voltage of .016 over a non-AVX stress like p95 v25.11 or AIDA64 CPU only. Why do you want me to spend my time running something I already have run?

The reason I asked was because you are the only person I have ever seen report such an experience. This is hard coded into the CPU by Intel. I thought perhaps you had figured some way of defeating this boost, or used some combination of BIOS settings that fooled the PCU into using smaller voltages.

The knowledge of how you accomplished this unique result would be of interest to many. If you are not interested that's fine; most of us here following this thread are experimenting and sharing information and when there's an aberration or something that can't be explained or duplicated, most of us look to find an explanation. The 1st step in any such endeavor is usually to retest and confirm the result. I tested the settings you shared and saw a 0.1 boost. Given the consistency of the experience by others, it's hard to accept or understand how you have obtained such a unique result. Some examples....

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33488-Maximus-VI-Series-UEFI-Guide-for-Overclocking
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There is one issue with Offset and Adaptive Mode that needs to be taken into account. The processor contains a power control unit which requests voltage based upon software load. When the PCU detects AVX instructions, it will ramp Vcore automatically beyond normal load voltage. There is no way to lock Vcore to prevent this if using Offset or Adapative Mode. This is pre-programmed by Intel into the PCU.

As an example, a CPU is perfectly stable at 1.25V using a manual voltage (static), if Adaptive or Offset Mode is used instead, it is impossible to lock the core voltage when running software that contains AVX instruction sets – stress tests such as AIDA and Prime contain AVX instruction sets. When the AVX instructions are detected by the PCU, the core voltage will be ramped an additional ~0.1V over your target voltage – so 1.25V will become ~1.35V under AVX load. If you intend to run heavy load AVX software, we recommend using Manual Vcore, NOT Adaptive or Offset Mode.


http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1040136647#post1040136647
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This 1.275v adaptive setting does increase to 1.391v as soon as I put an AVX load through it....


http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33680-Beginner-Adaptive-Voltage-4pin-CPU-power
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How can I properly use the Adaptive Voltage feature when OCing the CPU? I find that the CPU runs fine OC'd to 4.4GHz at 1.2V Manual setting however when I try to use the Adaptive setting, the voltage is unstable and fluctuates approximately 0.1V around the desired setting.


http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1109713
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(trying to go for 1.220v under AVX induced load, so you'd assume thats what you enter) makes the CPU load up to 1.315v-1.320v under AVX stress tests,


http://www.overclock.net/t/1411579/adaptive-voltage
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Hawell processors automatically add ~ 0.1 vcore when they detect AVX instruction sets.


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Haswell_OC_Guide/9.html
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If you use an application with AVX-based instructions, Haswell CPUs will boost voltage by as much as 0.100 V when using normal offset voltage values,


http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1877185/overclock-adaptive-mode-problem.html
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But here lies my problem. When i switch to adaptive mode and type in 1.37 volts (the same voltage where i had stability in manual mode) in the "Additional Turbo Mode CPU Core Voltage" and 0.001 volts for "CPU Core Voltage Offset", on running AIDA 64, I can see my core voltages rise up all the way to approximately 1.49 volts

Again, I am just anxious to understand how you manged to get such a unique, (at least from everything I have seen), result. I have searched for other instances of similar results to yours but as you can see above came up dry. So I had hoped you could confirm same before I invested more time into the search since I wouldn't want to waste my time if the number could otherwise be explained .... like the thread in which someone was reporting very low CPU Core temps which some of us could not understand and it turned out he was reading the CPU temperature in AISuite3 (right now mine reads 33) and not using HW monitor Vcore (right now mine reads 53) numbers.

If you are not interested in assisting in this pursuit of understanding, and validating your result, that's fine. I just thot was no harm in asking smile.gif .
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/8/14 at 6:23pm
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Don't we all run in Manual mode nowadays to avoid that exact jump..?

Anyhow, I do and I run power plan at high performance with 100% min CPU usage. With C1E and C3 enabled it still drops the volts to 0.7v which is all I need (Multi is of course at max but if I wanted that down then I'd drop 5% min processor).
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A huge jump in voltage is caused by adaptive. A small jump in voltage is caused by inherent Haswell issues and/or course sensor readings. By small I'm talking 0.02v. Large I'm talking 0.1v+.

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Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
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Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
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Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
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Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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Undelwalt (2017)
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Celapaleis (2013)
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
Other
Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
AudioOther
Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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