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Hey good catch on the volts I have been out in the field training we have had a bunch of new stryker sent to our unit.Yeah your right I forgot to lower the volts back down after running it at 5GHZ for 48 hr stress test that it passed.Thanks for the good eye and catching that for me.
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my new 4770k sucks mad.gif 4.4ghz @ 1.25v batch # L345B842

Oh no! It's just about average! D:

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my first chip did 4.7 @ 1.375v
second chip did 4.6@ 1.3v
third chip did 4.6 @ 1.275
forth chip did 4.7 @ 1.3v
5th chip does 4.4 @ 1.25v

four above average chips and an average one, you're not doing too bad tongue.gif
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z87m (M) stands for Micro ATX

I know what M stands for.., i was just being sarcastic.
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if you cant get 4.3Ghz with 1.32v try upping the vccin to 2.0v

I’ve tried that already, and lots more. That is what i have been doing for 10 weeks.
I gave up on it. I will sit on the 42 @ 1.275V until i have the time to switch back to may old sandy that does 48 while being 8-10° cooler on prime.
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I know what M stands for.., i was just being sarcastic.
I’ve tried that already, and lots more. That is what i have been doing for 10 weeks.
I gave up on it. I will sit on the 42 @ 1.275V until i have the time to switch back to may old sandy that does 48 while being 8-10° cooler on prime.

I had this problem with my 4770K.
It wouldn't go past 42. With 1.3v.
I messed around with the bios, had no idea what I was doing now it's at 4.5 with 1.33v
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics/10900#post_21918731

An update.

Well, filling out the form was supposed to be a simple job, and still I a managed to mess it up. I noticed the other mistakes, as I started to wonder why my Vcore is so close to my VID. Almost eryone else has a noticeable cap between them. As I was filling out the form, I forgot that I ran IBT with 1.250 VID.

So I decided that I'm going test 1.260 VID with IBT again. Who knows, It just might crash. I also took HWMonitor along. I'm no expert, but seems little funny.



Apologies to Darkwizzie. I hope you find all the necessary ,and this time the real ,information below.

Username: VeliManne
CPU Model: i5-4670k
Core Multiplier: 45
CPU VID: 1.260
Vcore: 1.280
Uncore Multiplier: 43
Uncore Voltage: 1.230
Cooling Solution: NH-D14
Stability Test: IBT-very high 20 runs, Prime95 27.9.1 1344-1344 ~1 hour. XTU-stress 8 hours
Batch Number: Costa Rica 3316b767
Ram Speed: 1600 MHz, 9 9 9 27 XMP
Ram Voltage: 1.65
Input Voltage: 1.872
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Originally Posted by GeneO View Post

None of the above.
Give me a break, I know when I am running adaptive mode and of course I verify it with AI suite. Why should I run a test I have already run. I posted the results.

I already posted the boost I get under under adaptive. The whole reason I posted is because it is not what has been suggested in all the guides. If you choose not to believe me, then I don't really care.
Or you could assume that it is right and figure out what that means, instead of assuming people are wrong. Is this the way these forums operate, people assuming other people are idiots? I am a very careful and methodical person when it comes to testing. It comes from my experimental physics background, I don't make mistakes like you are suggesting. There are no magical knobs I could have twisted or anything stupid I could have done, sorry.

If you can think of something concrete for me to look into that you think might explain the low boost and that makes sense, then I would investigate. But don't bother me with
1. Checking active/fixed mode
2. Suggestions that AVX is somehow disabled (unless you can explain how I can run P95, and how I can generate 90c+ temps and 130W in small fft)


I was only providing some, what I was hoping, useful information that I hadn't seen in these forums. I didn't expect to get the third degree, and it is very non-productive. If this is what to expect from these forum, then really I won't waste my time contributing anymore. I will again repeat the information I found fiddling around that I hadn't seen elsewhere in these forum and this is the last I will respond to this sub-thread.

1. You can test for stability against the advanced AVX2 instructions with P95 28.x (x being 5 now) without hitting high temps using 1344l 1344l FFT
2. Don't take the 0.1V boost using AVX as a given, for me the mosr I see is .02V.
3. If you want a fully stable overclock running adaptive mode, then test in adaptive mode with AVX2 (p95 28.x). This is obvious. You might have to give up
full
stability to get high overclocks, especially if you get that 0.1V boost, and you have to be careful and expect up to that boost.



I have run full avx tests including Real Bench, AIDA and a 6 hour test P95 28.4 yesterday with all fans disabled. I by no means consider prime95 stability as "essential" or a reliable indicator of **system** stability under actual programs / games but I do like to run it to perform certain tasks and make certain determinations / readings. Interestingly enough, after the 6 hours of prime95, I also ran RoG Real Bench for a few hours followed by a Furmark run for a GPU temp test. Gathered a lot of great data but after all of this, my son played Battlefield 4 and BSOD'd within 15 minutes. Hopefully tonite, will be able to set aside sometime and track down the (memory management) problem

For each build I do, I create and save various BIOS profiles each designed for specific conditions. These include various combinations of multiplier, cache ratio, voltages and other parameters..... The default of 24/7 boot is a step down from my max OC at 45 multiplier / 42 cache ratio ..... also have a 46/46, 46/43 and 45/45 but use the 45/42 as i get the same test scores as 45/45. Finally I have a 44/42, 42/39 which i use for troubleshooting and AVX and finally a stock profile for final testing when all else fails.

As for the 2 minute test I asked you to do, (I actually went back and did it again to check). You certainly have the right not to look at it. However, as far as I have been able to determine, your result remains unique in all of computerdom and since the people who build the CPUs, and the MoBos they go in, are all saying it's unalterable, until someone else comes in and say "No, this happens to me to", I'll have to assume that you have the only CPU that exhibits this behavior and any time investment in further study would not be productive.
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I have run full avx tests including Real Bench, AIDA and a 6 hour test P95 28.4 yesterday with all fans disabled. I by no means consider prime95 stability as "essential" or a reliable indicator of **system** stability under actual programs / games but I do like to run it to perform certain tasks and make certain determinations / readings. Interestingly enough, after the 6 hours of prime95, I also ran RoG Real Bench for a few hours followed by a Furmark run for a GPU temp test. Gathered a lot of great data but after all of this, my son played Battlefield 4 and BSOD'd within 15 minutes. Hopefully tonite, will be able to set aside sometime and track down the (memory management) problem

For each build I do, I create and save various BIOS profiles each designed for specific conditions. These include various combinations of multiplier, cache ratio, voltages and other parameters..... The default of 24/7 boot is a step down from my max OC at 45 multiplier / 42 cache ratio ..... also have a 46/46, 46/43 and 45/45 but use the 45/42 as i get the same test scores as 45/45. Finally I have a 44/42, 42/39 which i use for troubleshooting and AVX and finally a stock profile for final testing when all else fails.

As for the 2 minute test I asked you to do, (I actually went back and did it again to check). You certainly have the right not to look at it. However, as far as I have been able to determine, your result remains unique in all of computerdom and since the people who build the CPUs, and the MoBos they go in, are all saying it's unalterable, until someone else comes in and say "No, this happens to me to", I'll have to assume that you have the only CPU that exhibits this behavior and any time investment in further study would not be productive.

It is highly recommended not to use Furmark or OC Scanner with GTX 780s because the cards may be damaged by those programs.

BF4 is an awesome stress test. I can pass loop after loop of x264 but I had to up VID by .055v to get BF4 stable.
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I have run full avx tests including Real Bench, AIDA and a 6 hour test P95 28.4 yesterday with all fans disabled. I by no means consider prime95 stability as "essential" or a reliable indicator of **system** stability under actual programs / games but I do like to run it to perform certain tasks and make certain determinations / readings. Interestingly enough, after the 6 hours of prime95, I also ran RoG Real Bench for a few hours followed by a Furmark run for a GPU temp test. Gathered a lot of great data but after all of this, my son played Battlefield 4 and BSOD'd within 15 minutes. Hopefully tonite, will be able to set aside sometime and track down the (memory management) problem

Certainly if you are not stable byprime95, you are not fully stable.
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As for the 2 minute test I asked you to do, (I actually went back and did it again to check). You certainly have the right not to look at it. However, as far as I have been able to determine, and since the people who build the CPUs, and the MoBos they go in, are all saying it's unalterable, until someone else comes in and say "No, this happens to me to", I'll have to assume that you have the only CPU that exhibits this behavior and any time investment in further study would not be productive.

How could you possibly even begin to make such a determination That is absurd.

Sorry, I can't take that statement seriously. Firstly, certainly you can't speak for everybody's results to be able to make a statement like "your result remains unique in all of computerdom". That is just BS. Second, you can't speak for all of the people who built the CPUs and the Motherboards, and certainly the few that say this can only generalize, they have a handful of CPUs.

I am sure there are many like me that have read these guides that propagate this +0.1V and just assumed that would be what they will get and never really checked it. I am confident that I am not "special". I just happened to try adaptive and recognize the small difference. Most people don't I expect.

Here, this is my chip running small FFT under P95 V25.11, which does not have AVX instructions. The 1.2V is what I see with AIDA64 CPU only as well. This is the non-AVX base test. I have included the TPU window so that you can see I am running in adaptive mode just specially for you.

P95_V25_11_SM_FFT.JPG 402k .JPG file


And here is running P95 V28.5 1344K, 1344K FFT . The core voltage is between .016 and .032V higher than the non-AVX.

P95_V28_5_1344L.JPG 381k .JPG file

These were snipped at 100% load. I used AI Suite to illustrate the adaptive overclock. Same thing for HWINFO64, max vcore is 1.232, but fluctuates between 1.216 and 1.232, so I assume it is about hallway between.

And to cement what you have asked me to do is not particularly enlightening or adding anything, I downloaded that crappy Hwinfo. Same results, VID=1.184, non-AVX 1.2v max:


hwmon.JPG 237k .JPG file
Edited by GeneO - 3/11/14 at 5:49pm
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Alright, I'll download crappy AI SUITE to see what it shows. I've already shown what it does and I know your response to that - but remember, you're the odd one out. Nobody here has ever shown what you're showing re: adaptive.

What I do find odd though on your pictures is that the Prime 25.11 is supposedly 1 degrees hotter than your 28.5 run. 25.11 ran for seconds compared to your 28.5 screenshot, I know AI SUITE is at least 10 degrees off so your temps in both pictures apparently is ~60 degrees.

edit: figured I don't want crapware on my computer so I didn't install it. Instead I ran Prime 25.11 vs. 28.5 in Manual mode x39 @ 1.2v. There was a 10 degree difference. Max. Temp shown was under 28.5 and of course current temp is while 25.11 is running.


Edited by error-id10t - 3/11/14 at 11:54pm
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Alright, I'll download crappy AI SUITE to see what it shows. I've already shown what it does and I know your response to that - but remember, you're the odd one out. Nobody here has ever shown what you're showing re: adaptive.

What I do find odd though on your pictures is that the Prime 25.11 is supposedly 1 degrees hotter than your 28.5 run. 25.11 ran for seconds compared to your 28.5 screenshot, I know AI SUITE is at least 10 degrees off so your temps in both pictures apparently is ~60 degrees.

edit: figured I don't want crapware on my computer so I didn't install it. Instead I ran Prime 25.11 vs. 28.5 in Manual mode x39 @ 1.2v. There was a 10 degree difference. Max. Temp shown was under 28.5 and of course current temp is while 25.11 is running.


I ran small FTT with P95 v25.11 but 1344k with V28.5. The small FTT without AVX runs a bit hotter than 1344 with AVX. If I ran small FTT with v28.5 I would get temps in the mid 80s - 90 (same vcore though).
Edited by GeneO - 3/12/14 at 6:10am
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