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Originally Posted by hyp36rmax View Post

Interesting!

Yes
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Originally Posted by GeneO View Post

Certainly if you are not stable byprime95, you are not fully stable.
How could you possibly even begin to make such a determination That is absurd.

I have no fixation that requires me to be 100% prime95 stable. I have a Porsche 911, when I bought the last set of tires for it, the shop extolled on the virtues of having my tires balanced to be stable at 200 mph and how lucky i was that he had this equipment as most shops only do to 120 or 150 mph.... I don't feel the need to be 100% prime95 stable for the same reason I don't "need" to have my tires stable at 200mph. My system is prime95 stable after 8 hours, every one so far has at my 24/7 profiles, but I'd be no more upset if it wasn't and it consistently failed after 6 hours than I would be if my tires were only rated for 100 mph..... don't break 75 mph..... It may give you a sense of personal satisfaction being 12 hour prime 95 stable or having your tires 200 mph stable but as long as the system doesn't crash when I use it for what I do with it and my car's steering wheel isn't wobbling / shaking and the tires are glued tot he road when driving the speeds i use it at, then I'm satisfied.

However, if my highest OC profile requires a VID setting of 1.375 and hits voltage peaks of 1.424 ..... and shoots up over 1,5 volts when AVX instructions are present...... then that system will never see Prime95 for any longer than it took for me to see that voltage peak. Rather than obsess over being prime95 stable, I'll just sit tight in the knowledge that it runs everything I throw at it and I can enjoy the extra speed. If I wanna run something with AVX, then I will reboot and select a profile that doesn't generate anything over 1.45.
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Sorry, I can't take that statement seriously. Firstly, certainly you can't speak for everybody's results to be able to make a statement like "your result remains unique in all of computerdom". That is just BS. Second, you can't speak for all of the people who built the CPUs and the Motherboards, and certainly the few that say this can only generalize, they have a handful of CPUs.

What did I give you ?.... MoBo manufacturer's statement hat it's unavoidable .... bunch of other users posting their experience..... how many you got duplicating your results ?

I have searched dozens of sites and read 100s of posts, Asus TS tells me it can't happen, and yes they have tested 1000s of CPUs ..... given the weight of evidence one each side, I' don't see any possible ROI here in continuing to concern myself with this issue again till I see this feat duplicated.
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Originally Posted by VeliManne View Post

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics/10900#post_21918731

An update.

Well, filling out the form was supposed to be a simple job, and still I a managed to mess it up. I noticed the other mistakes, as I started to wonder why my Vcore is so close to my VID. Almost eryone else has a noticeable cap between them. As I was filling out the form, I forgot that I ran IBT with 1.250 VID.

So I decided that I'm going test 1.260 VID with IBT again. Who knows, It just might crash. I also took HWMonitor along. I'm no expert, but seems little funny.



Apologies to Darkwizzie. I hope you find all the necessary ,and this time the real ,information below.

Username: VeliManne
CPU Model: i5-4670k
Core Multiplier: 45
CPU VID: 1.260
Vcore: 1.280
Uncore Multiplier: 43
Uncore Voltage: 1.230
Cooling Solution: NH-D14
Stability Test: IBT-very high 20 runs, Prime95 27.9.1 1344-1344 ~1 hour. XTU-stress 8 hours
Batch Number: Costa Rica 3316b767
Ram Speed: 1600 MHz, 9 9 9 27 XMP
Ram Voltage: 1.65
Input Voltage: 1.872
LLC Setting: Level 8
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A
 

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Originally Posted by Unknownm View Post

Left everything on auto (OC settings) and set turbo 44x , uncore @ 34x (which runs 40x). Extreme LLC.

44x = 1.350v normal apps - games
44x = 1.422v Prime95 / LinX / IBT

8 hours prime95 stable. Loving the idle voltage clocks, setting 85% minimum processor state gives me 1.172v @ 3ghz idle which is prefect for a power machine.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Akehage View Post


Ill post a screenshot, the reading in hw is slightly different from my 4770k, it seems to read vrin as vcore? I am not even done yet, Ill think I can reach 4.8-4.9 maybe on this one. Life is unfair tongue.gif


just bsod and temps where up slighly more (65). But still a nice one this I think.

 

 

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Originally Posted by coelacanth View Post

I have the median CPU. This was a statistically probable outcome.

Username: coelacanth
CPU Model: 4770K
Core Multiplier: 45
CPU VID: 1.280v (Manual)
Vcore: 1.312v (max under load)
Uncore Multiplier: 42
Uncore Voltage: 1.150v (Manual) (1.208v max under load)
Cooling Solution: Phanteks PH-TC14PE with 2 120mm Cougar Vortex PWM push push
Stability Test: x264 many 2 loop passes of loop 2, BF4, FC3, benching Valley and Heaven, several weeks of uptime
Batch Number: 3319C235 (Costa Rica 2013 week 19)
Ram Speed: 2400MHz 10-12-12-31 2T
Ram Voltage: 1.65v (1.703v max under load)
Input Voltage: 1.780v (1.840v max under load)
LLC Setting: AUTO
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero UEFI BIOS 1301

The above are charted.

 

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Originally Posted by angelotti View Post

Repacked. Included log-free version, for those who don’t need one.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6pl2vodyakt0djq/x264_Stability_Test.7z

So is this different than Forceman's original file?

 

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Originally Posted by error-id10t View Post

Where's forcemans x264 loop.. I just rolled back my MC to v12 from v17 figured I'll see if it's worse or better.

There you go, 2 quotes up.

 

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Originally Posted by FractinJex View Post

Update for you DarkWiz

chip from previous post.... 3333C costa rica

4.9ghz 1.46v load 1.475v adaptive Note: possibly could require more voltage will prly end up around 1.5v 24/7 stable

uncore 43x 1.21vv

Input V - initial 2.0v eventual 2.0v

System agent v + 0.300 something like 1.25v should be safe

IO + 0.150v

Extreme phase 140% cuurent value

ram 2400 MHz 1.655v

load temp during GW2 max 67c on cooler master glacer 240l - -

CLU

also to Note: I attempted to get 5ghz some what stable without any luck up to 1.55-1.57v and 2.1-.2.2 input voltage...she would still bsod/freeze pissed me off lol

You never listed stress test. You mind going off of the form on the first page?

Also keep in mind, if I chart something 4.8ghz and higher, people will be eyeing your OCs like a hawk. They see you without picture verification or some claims of x20 pass IBT very high or 8hr Prime, they're going to dismiss your OC. Not that you have any obligation to care, but this is for the sake of my chart.

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Originally Posted by LostKauz View Post

Ill try to make this short but include enough info for a proper response.

Currently my 4770k is stable at the following:

Vcore: 1.25v
Multiplier: x45
Uncore: 35
Uncore voltage: auto
DRAM is at 1600 @ 1.65v
Eventual Input Voltage is @ 1.75

I tried to increase the multiplier to 46 increasing vcore slightly all the way up to 1.3v while increasing the eventual input voltage per the instructions accordingling (ended up being 1.8v for 1.3vcore)

It still would not complete a pass of h.264 encoding on Realbench, always BSOD. im running Win 8 so I get those lame uninformational BSOD screens.


So can some one point me to the light here? What should i try tweaking to get past 4.5Ghz, im coming to ocn because 1.25v stable is decent i think and to increase it .05 and still not gain a 100mhz seems odd. I could be completely off here idk thats why im asking.

Thanks guys.

Any questions about the rig its my sig rig "the sith lord" and its the Asus Maximus VI Formula (rig builder screwed it up)

 

 

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Originally Posted by lilchronic View Post

lilchronic
- 4770k Batch # L310B507 MALAY
- 4.6Ghz 1.4v vid
-uncore 4.4Ghz 1.32v vid
-vccin 2.1v

 

Need more info from the above two - Lilchronic, so you got multiple CPUs - What do I do with your results?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Doreguul View Post

Username: Doreguul
CPU Model: Intel I5-4670k
Core Multiplier: 46 x 99.98mhz
CPU VID: 1.308
Vcore: 1.308
Uncore Multiplier: 40
Uncore Voltage:
Cooling Solution: custom loop with koolance 380i
Stability Test: prime 95 / super pi
Batch Number: Malaysia Bath # L345B803
Ram Speed: 1866mhz CL 10
Ram Voltage: 1.5
Input Voltage: 1.74
LLC Setting: STANDARD
Motherboard: Gigabyte Sniper M5

You mind listing how long Prime was run?


Some of you will be getting a pm from me...


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Username:OvverclockTr
CPU Model:İ5 4670k
Core Multiplier: 44
CPU VID: 1,280 + (cpu core voltage offset 0,0600) =1.336 voltage
Vcore: 1,280 voltage
Uncore Multiplier:38
Uncore Voltage: Auoto
Cooling Solution: Noktua DH 14 biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Stability Test: prime 95, aidata 64
Batch Number: [Malay or Costa Rica chip
Ram Speed: 1600 Mhz
Ram Voltage: Auoto
Input Voltage: [aka VCCIN, 1.9 voltage
LLC Setting: defaut
Motherboard: Msı z87 Mpower

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Charted - Mind listing how long the tests were run? If you have a picture, even better.

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Charted - Mind listing how long the tests were run? If you have a picture, even better.




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Oh I see, you're starting a stress run now? Cool! :thumb: Report back when done, this will help me a lot.

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you dont have to chart my result just keep the one thats on there now . and once i get a better cpu ill post correctly..... i wont have this chip very long
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you dont have to chart my result just keep the one thats on there now . and once i get a better cpu ill post correctly..... i wont have this chip very long

This is your... 5th CPU? Jeezus.


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I have no fixation that requires me to be 100% prime95 stable.

That is fine for you. I wrote that for someone who wants or needs to be stable in AVX, obviously not for you. You are not everyone.

And I have seen posts where people are getting voltage spikes in games that use AVX, and if your are not stable in AVX,, such games may crash.
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However, if my highest OC profile requires a VID setting of 1.375 and hits voltage peaks of 1.424 ..... and shoots up over 1,5 volts when AVX instructions are present...... then that system will never see Prime95 for any longer than it took for me to see that voltage peak.
Rather than obsess over being prime95 stable, I'll just sit tight in the knowledge that it runs everything I throw at it and I can enjoy the extra speed. If I wanna run something with AVX, then I will reboot and select a profile that doesn't generate anything over 1.45.

I don't know why you are even saying this, I said this won't work for everyone and probably not high overclocks. And I don't obsess over it either, I just got it pretty much for free.
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What did I give you ?.... MoBo manufacturer's statement hat it's unavoidable .... bunch of other users posting their experience..... how many you got duplicating your results ?
have searched dozens of sites and read 100s of posts, Asus TS tells me it can't happen, and yes they have tested 1000s of CPUs ..... given the weight of evidence one each side, I' don't see any possible ROI here in continuing to concern myself with this issue again till I see this feat duplicated.

You gave me a manufacturer that said a boost, of ~0.1v, is done on the Power Control Unit on the chip, and that this cannot be altered. The boost is clearly noted as approximate and I have shown it can be quite low. Do you think that manufacturer representative tested a lot of CPUs against this?
Saying that you couldn't find anything searching the web for something someone is probably not even checking is not very meaningful IMO. Doing a poll with a specific test might be. I may have a one in a million but you haven't provided sufficient information to show this. I think people should not take the 0.1V verbatim and not find out what it is for their chip in any case - if you are going to overclock, then you should know this information. So why do you so strenuously object to my suggesting that people should find out what boost they get on their processor?

I am through discussing this with you, all you have done is waste my time.
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That is fine for you. I wrote that for someone who wants or needs to be stable in AVX, obviously not for you. You are not everyone.

And I have seen posts where people are getting voltage spikes in games that use AVX, and if your are not stable in AVX,, such games may crash.


I don't know why you are even saying this, I said this won't work for everyone and probably not high overclocks. And I don't obsess over it either, I just got it pretty much for free.
You gave me a manufacturer that said a boost, of ~0.1v, is done on the Power Control Unit on the chip, and that this cannot be altered. The boost is clearly noted as approximate and I have shown it can be quite low. Do you think that manufacturer representative tested a lot of CPUs against this?
Saying that you couldn't find anything searching the web for something someone is probably not even checking is not very meaningful IMO. Doing a poll with a specific test might be. I may have a one in a million but you haven't provided sufficient information to show this. I think people should not take the 0.1V verbatim and not find out what it is for their chip in any case - if you are going to overclock, then you should know this information. So why do you so strenuously object to my suggesting that people should find out what boost they get on their processor?

I am through discussing this with you, all you have done is waste my time.

GeneO, how is your overclock going? Ready to chart or need more time?

 

 

---

In other news,

 

Thread Update:

I've set my OC back to my 4.5ghz setting. I'm running a huge battery of chess stuff last and this month and next month and if I wake up and I've bsoded, good game entire night of work! There goes 10 hours! I'm running hundreds and hundreds of hours of chess now.

 

If you don't know what the situation here is, I've run into instability on my x46/43 1.42/1.28 2.15v setting. Possible degradation but not 100% sure. Attempting to verify this by booting on a new OS on another hard drive and check if instability persists, rooting out software error which is possible. Average time til' bsode went from 1hr+ down to ~35 seconds on x264 which is a huge drop and is too large to account for any sort of sloppy original measurement/luck/etc.

 

For now I don't have time to deal with this, so I'll just turn this to x45 for now. If and when I find out there is no way to climb back to x46, it's time for me to retire my x46 setting and lower my OC on the chart.

 

 

I still have stuff written up on my tests for adaptive/c state testing from over 2 weeks ago since the troll ravaged the thread. Also, I still need to pm lots of people... lots of people. I'll get around to it... one day...

 


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