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why does my 1.64 cpuz show vid, not vcore anymore?

restart it a few times, maybe close other sensors. Restart PC if neccesary
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restarted many times (program and PC) just 1-2 times it shows vcore -,- now just VID
HWMonitor and HWinfo don't show same vcore...so which is correct?
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Does anybody here with a 4770k want to help me test something with chess? You must have a hyperthreaded CPU, preferably a Haswell one. It is said by the developer of Houdini chess engine that HT is bad for Houdini's engine strength, but just as importantly, that the decrease in strength is not as easily measured. Often people like to measure engine speed and relative strength by looking at kilonodes per second, but in this case it is deceiving. HT is said to increase kilonodes per second but decrease the efficiency of the search, decreasing depth and driving down the strength of the engine in the end. Robert Houdart said that chess engine software is in itself poorly optimized for HT, and this applies to basically all chess engines.

I want to see if this is true with Stockfish engine. So if you have free time, I can figure things out. One major reason why I got 4670k is because HT I believe is bad for chess for engines across the board. My idea is, you use Arena 3.5 GUI, latest beta Stockfish engine, load it up. Hash size to uhm, 512mb for example. So we'll have the engine analyze a position for a fixed amount of time and look at the ending search depth and how long it took to get to that depth.  And we might have to run this a few times, possibly with different positions to hit the nail in the common

If HT is as detrimental to engine strength for Houdini as it is for Stockfish, we should see a higher total nodes searched on HT on, but lower search depth. This means the engine searched for more stuff, but the search ended up with less results. Kind of like having a higher frequency on a CPU but a lower benchmark score due to having crappier IPC.

Need better instructions, put computer into microwave, now won't boot!!

No idea if this is what you're after, the hash size does not match the defined 512MB, right click to make bigger.
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Edited by error-id10t - 4/5/14 at 6:23pm
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restarted many times (program and PC) just 1-2 times it shows vcore -,- now just VID
HWMonitor and HWinfo don't show same vcore...so which is correct?

hwinfo

I've only seen cpu-z stay bugged like that when using mobo software like easytune or GTL, or multiple programs accessing the sensors
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not using anything above, just cpuz only. But it's fine now, because of the stupid avast @.@
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Need better instructions, put computer into microwave, now won't boot!!

No idea if this is what you're after, the hash size does not match the defined 512MB, right click to make bigger. 4-Core: (Click to show)
8-Core: (Click to show)

Thanks!

 

It's roughly the same as 512mb. As long as it's not like 256 or 1024mb you've done it correctly.

Your results look interesting to me. I'll go discuss it on the chess forums. The next time I get a CPU I will get a HT enabled one. The normal method of testing which engine is better is to run a "tournament" of 2 engines, and then see which has a higher score after a set amount of games - The problem with HT testing is, I can't do that because HT is either applied to both engines or none of them because it's set in the BIOS. If I go to an engine in Task Manager and set core affinity to 4, would that force the CPU to use only real cores?

Oh, and the default color scheme for Arena hurts my eyes, don't know about you.


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Any chance anyone else here playing Diablo 3 a lot and experiencing 124 BSODs quite often?

I'm running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz with 1.19 Voltage. Everything else is left auto/default, and this OC passes OCCT Linpack + AVX for hours.

Only Diablo 3 seems to be causing this.
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Any chance anyone else here playing Diablo 3 a lot and experiencing 124 BSODs quite often?

I'm running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz with 1.19 Voltage. Everything else is left auto/default, and this OC passes OCCT Linpack + AVX for hours.

Only Diablo 3 seems to be causing this.

124 mean you need more vcore. I mean you stil have a good chip. Give it 1.2. you are very close if you are passing the stress tests. Gaming can be a different type of load than stress tests alone.
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Any chance anyone else here playing Diablo 3 a lot and experiencing 124 BSODs quite often?

I'm running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz with 1.19 Voltage. Everything else is left auto/default, and this OC passes OCCT Linpack + AVX for hours.

Only Diablo 3 seems to be causing this.

Manually set uncore/cache to 33x with 1.15v or 1.2v, if that does not fix it, add 0.02vcore and see if it goes away
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124 mean you need more vcore. I mean you stil have a good chip. Give it 1.2. you are very close if you are passing the stress tests. Gaming can be a different type of load than stress tests alone.

Well i started at 1.175 vcore, adding more doesn't seem to help.
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Manually set uncore/cache to 33x with 1.15v or 1.2v, if that does not fix it, add 0.02vcore and see if it goes away

Ill give that a go seeing my uncore is at 35.


Previously i also had LLC at Extreme, VRIN at 1.8 and RING at 1.1, but none of this made a difference.

I'm on a new board aswell, i had the Z87X-OC which had the same issues in D3. (but that's not the reason i replaced it)

As a last resort i can try without HT.
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