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Yes, the ASROCK Z87M Extreme 4 is a budget boad, but full overclocking capability for 90€ is a nice deal smile.gif
In the end, it comes down to the Haswell CPU.


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post #11692 of 19539
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Originally Posted by BenJaminJr View Post


What are your temps?

Temps seem to be about normal.  30-34c Idle   Ive seen it reach as high as 80-85 running Prime.

Quote:
Originally Posted by angelotti View Post


Unless you have a "cherry picked" cpu, it's unlikely you'll get above 44 on asrock boards. You can see this on various forums if you google it.
Here's a replay from a few days ago that i made for another asrock board owner : http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/11630#post_22061573

I can do 43 at 1.310V for everyday usage, but crash in less than 10 min under prime.
I also tried 44 at 1.38, tested just with x264 and it crashes after two or three loops.

You can try raising the input voltage to 1.95/2.0V, disable C-States until you find the cpu/MB limit, set LLC to 2 or even 1..., and even disable spread spectrum, integrated vr faults and enable internal pll overvoltage.

None of these are necessary on asus, gigabyte or msi boards (at least for multipliers lower than 44), but i've seen these recommended for asrock boards.

Except for VCCIN to 1.95/2V none of the above helped me, but you can try.
Also, while testing for 43 at 1.31/1.32V i noticed that if i enabled both C6 and C7 states, i crash under prime within 4 or 5 seconds.

excellent thanks for the reply.  I will give some of these a shot!

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Username: mbakalski
CPU Model: 4770k
Core Multiplier: 45
CPU VID: 1.245
Vcore: 1.272
Uncore Multiplier: 39
Uncore Voltage: 1.220
Cooling Solution: Custom Loop
Stability Test: p95 Small FFTs 1 hr/IBT High - 10 pass/ BF4
Batch Number: 3333C Costa Rica
Ram Speed: 1866 Corsair Dominator GT 2x4GB
Ram Voltage: 1.50
Input Voltage: 1.92
LLC Setting: Auto
Motherboard: Z87-G65 [bios1.9]
System Agent:+.100v
AIO:+.100v
DIO:+100v
Nondelidded

I might try for more if I ever pop the lid open. Seems like a decent/a little better than average chip.


Edited by mbakalski - 4/8/14 at 7:36am
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I'l try out the threads thing sometime soon - should i do it from that 64 bit download?
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I added the '8 threads' option already, in both packages. But i still don't know what effect it has on HT cpu's.
On my 4670k there is a small difference, but it's marginal. Get the 64bit version and make a copy of your preferred batch (any of the 8 threads ones) and remove the ' --threads 8' (from the copied one) to look like this: "...--preset slower --crf 18 --rc-lookahead 80..."
Run one loop of each while logging, and compare the two.

I included the 32/64bit version, just in case..
I really don’t see why would anybody who overclocks a modern cpu, use a 32bit OS.
post #11697 of 19539
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Originally Posted by angelotti View Post

I made some updates to the x264 Stability Test.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/10980#post_21941059

You have both --threads N and --threads auto in the command line, where N = some number you think you are running, but think it actually uses auto. I counted the number of threads and it remains the same - 23, no matter what N is, so auto seems to override.

If I take that (--threads auto) out of the command line, then the number of threads change with N.

With this fix,

With auto it runs 23 threads on my 4770k
With 8 it runs 19
With 4 it runs 15

Performance with 4 is pretty slow. I think auto is the best, though 16 (4 above auto) seems pretty good.



I also put in some runtime date and time stamps at start, end and each loop, made the number of threads a input variable ,and just hard-wired in 64 bit.

Here is the snippet of the bat file for normal priority, log with the changes:
You need the second setlocal ... line to get the time and date at runtime instead of when the bat was opened


@echo off

setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

cls
pushd "%CD%\test"

echo x264 Stability Test.
echo
echo.

:start
echo.
echo Enter a name for the log file.
set /p target=
echo.
set /p numpass="Number of runs:"
set /p threads="Number of threads:"
echo.
echo Test will use %threads% threads and %numpass% passes.
echo.


REM set opencl="--opencl"

:echo.
echo.
echo Running Stability Test in %numpass% loops
echo
for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
echo.
echo --- Loop %%n !DATE! !TIME! ----
start /normal /b x264-64 --quiet --preset slower --crf 18 --threads %threads% --rc-lookahead 80 --aq-strength 1.5 --merange 32 --direct spatial --subme 10 --psy-rd 1.5:0 --video-filter crop:0,140,0,140/resize:width=1916,height=798,method=lanczos4 --thread-input --output "encode.mkv" "test-1080p.mp4" --aud %opencl% 2>&1 | tee run1pass2loop%%n.log
echo.
)

:analyze-new
echo x264 Stability Test Results >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo. >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo x264 Info >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo version: r2409 >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo architecture: %bit2run%-bit >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo ========================== >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo. >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
grep -U "encoded" run1pass2loop%%n.log >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
)

:end

echo --- Done !DATE! !TIME! ---
Edited by GeneO - 4/8/14 at 8:58pm
post #11698 of 19539
@Angelotti

Here is a corrected (for threads) and slightly improved no-log, normal priority bat

The original no log actually wrote a log file in the test folder (the file specified in the tee). I have it tee to the NUL device, so it doesn't write anything to the disk. This may run a little faster and hotter.

I also made the priority a parameter in the script so you can change it to high if you want by editing the file.
You can also un-remark (remove preceeding REM) the opencl parameter and it will use open cl.

The two user inputs are threads and loops. for threads you can enter either a number or auto

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

cls
pushd "%CD%\test"

echo x264 Stability Test.
echo
echo.

set /p numpass="Number of runs:"
set /p threads="Number of threads:"
echo.

REM set opencl="--opencl"
set prio=normal


echo.
echo Running Test with %numpass% loops, %threads% threads, and %prio% priority with opencl=%opencl%
echo.
for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
echo.
echo --- Loop %%n !DATE! !TIME! ----
start /%prio% /b x264-64 --quiet --preset slower --crf 18 --threads %threads% --rc-lookahead 80 --aq-strength 1.5 --merange 32 --direct spatial --subme 10 --psy-rd 1.5:0 --video-filter crop:0,140,0,140/resize:width=1916,height=798,method=lanczos4 --thread-input --output "encode.mkv" "test-1080p.mp4" --aud %opencl% | tee NUL
echo.
)


echo --- Done !DATE! !TIME! ---

:clean-up
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 5 -w 1000 >NUL 2>&1
del *.log >NUL 2>&1
del *.stats >NUL 2>&1
del *.mbtree >NUL 2>&1
del encode.mkv >NUL 2>&1
cd ..


echo.
echo All runs complete!
echo.
set /p target=Hit the ENTER key to exit!

:exit
Edited by GeneO - 4/8/14 at 10:34pm
post #11699 of 19539
More changes to the test, with help from 'GeneO'

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/10980#post_21941059


Discard the one i uploaded yesterday!


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You have both --threads N and --threads auto in the command line, where N = some number you think you are running, but think it actually uses auto. I counted the number of threads and it remains the same - 23, no matter what N is, so auto seems to override.

If I take that (--threads auto) out of the command line, then the number of threads change with N.

With this fix,

With auto it runs 23 threads on my 4770k
With 8 it runs 19
With 4 it runs 15

Performance with 4 is pretty slow. I think auto is the best, though 16 (4 above auto) seems pretty good.



I also put in some runtime date and time stamps at start, end and each loop, made the number of threads a input variable ,and just hard-wired in 64 bit.

Here is the snippet of the bat file for normal priority, log with the changes:
You need the second setlocal ... line to get the time and date at runtime instead of when the bat was opened


@echo off

setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

cls
pushd "%CD%\test"

echo x264 Stability Test.
echo echo.

:start
echo.
echo Enter a name for the log file.
set /p target=
echo.
set /p numpass="Number of runs:"
set /p threads="Number of threads:"
echo.
echo Test will use %threads% threads and %numpass% passes.
echo.


REM set opencl="--opencl"

:echo.
echo.
echo Running Stability Test in %numpass% loops
echo for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
echo.
echo --- Loop %%n !DATE! !TIME! ----
start /normal /b x264-64 --quiet --preset slower --crf 18 --threads %threads% --rc-lookahead 80 --aq-strength 1.5 --merange 32 --direct spatial --subme 10 --psy-rd 1.5:0 --video-filter crop:0,140,0,140/resize:width=1916,height=798,method=lanczos4 --thread-input --output "encode.mkv" "test-1080p.mp4" --aud %opencl% 2>&1 | tee run1pass2loop%%n.log
echo.
)

:analyze-new
echo x264 Stability Test Results >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo. >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo x264 Info >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo version: r2409 >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo architecture: %bit2run%-bit >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo ========================== >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
echo. >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
grep -U "encoded" run1pass2loop%%n.log >> "x264_log-%target%.rtf"
)

:end

echo --- Done !DATE! !TIME! ---
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
@Angelotti

Here is a corrected (for threads) and slightly improved no-log, normal priority bat

The original no log actually wrote a log file in the test folder (the file specified in the tee). I have it tee to the NUL device, so it doesn't write anything to the disk. This may run a little faster and hotter.

I also made the priority a parameter in the script so you can change it to high if you want by editing the file.
You can also un-remark (remove preceeding REM) the opencl parameter and it will use open cl.

The two user inputs are threads and loops. for threads you can enter either a number or auto

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

cls
pushd "%CD%\test"

echo x264 Stability Test.
echo
echo.

set /p numpass="Number of runs:"
set /p threads="Number of threads:"
echo.

REM set opencl="--opencl"
set prio=normal


echo.
echo Running Test with %numpass% loops, %threads% threads, and %prio% priority with opencl=%opencl%
echo.
for /L %%n in (1,1,%numpass%) do (
echo.
echo --- Loop %%n !DATE! !TIME! ----
start /%prio% /b x264-64 --quiet --preset slower --crf 18 --threads %threads% --rc-lookahead 80 --aq-strength 1.5 --merange 32 --direct spatial --subme 10 --psy-rd 1.5:0 --video-filter crop:0,140,0,140/resize:width=1916,height=798,method=lanczos4 --thread-input --output "encode.mkv" "test-1080p.mp4" --aud %opencl% | tee NUL
echo.
)


echo --- Done !DATE! !TIME! ---

:clean-up
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 5 -w 1000 >NUL 2>&1
del *.log >NUL 2>&1
del *.stats >NUL 2>&1
del *.mbtree >NUL 2>&1
del encode.mkv >NUL 2>&1
cd ..


echo.
echo All runs complete!
echo.
set /p target=Hit the ENTER key to exit!

:exit


Indeed, there was a ‘--threads auto’ command.., i didn't see it. I took care of it now.

As per your recommendation, i added the possibility to choose threads number, priority level and 'date and time' stamps.
I also corrected 'no log' versions to not generate the useless logs.

I did not, however, add the ‘opencl’ command, since it offloads work from the CPU to the GPU (as far as i know, only the “lookahead” command at this point). And the scope of this test is to stress the CPU as much as possible.
The introduction of opencl to the x264 is still new and immature and can lead to some incompatibilities for some GPU’s/drivers.

Thank you for your input.


Edit.
By the way, those ‘extra’ threads you see in ‘resource monitor’ (or whatever else) are very light on load compared to the ones defined through the settings. They are mostly under 1%.
Which makes me wonder if there is an application that displays threads activity in CPU usage (maybe graphically ?)... I know sysinternals ‘process explorer’ does, but i’m not sure it does it correctly and certainly not graphically.
Edited by angelotti - 4/9/14 at 8:34am
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Is there any type of increase or decrease in stress, or is the update purely about settings?

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