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I added a small section in the chart.
Do you think it's helpful?


Edited by Darkwizzie - 4/22/14 at 9:31pm
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Just to add something for the above. This is not really a great comparison but if I pull some stats for Physics from 3DMark Firestrike.

  • SB @ 5giggle = 40.46 fps
  • Ivy @ 4.8giggles = 40.93 fps
  • Ivy @ 4.8giggles = 41.01 fps
  • Haswell @ 4.7giggles = 42.61 fps
  • Haswell @ 4.6giggles = 41.62 fps

So a guestimate based on the above would be: 4.5 HW = 4.7 Ivy = 5.0 SB
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Just to add something for the above. This is not really a great comparison but if I pull some stats for Physics from 3DMark Firestrike.
 
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  • SB @ 5giggle = 40.46 fps
  • Ivy @ 4.8giggles = 40.93 fps
  • Ivy @ 4.8giggles = 41.01 fps
  • Haswell @ 4.7giggles = 42.61 fps
  • Haswell @ 4.6giggles = 41.62 fps

So a guestimate based on the above would be: 4.5 HW = 4.7 Ivy = 5.0 SB

Based on your guesstimation that 4.5 HW = 4.7 Ivy = 5 SB, that makes HW approx 5% over Ivy and 10% over SB, clock per clock.

 

4.5 x 1.05 = 4.625

4.5 x 1.1 = 4.95

 

On the other hand, a CPU benchmark like chess or Cinebench would be a better benchmark for CPU speed.

 

Do you think the average person pulled 5ghz on Sandy? Hwbot says yes. If we take HWbot's info at face value (which I think favors non-Haswell parts because Haswell is harder to overclock without a proper guide), Haswell is on average faster than Ivy but slower than Sandy...


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If we take the SB thread here - baring in mind that it's stability club and not a bench club - then the average I got from that list was: 4.66giggles.
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The median of this list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AldAG0FCQxM-dHFiVnRKMkdoT3BackRucFN2SjVhYkE&output=html&widget=true

is 4.699ghz.

 

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Based on your guesstimation that 4.5 HW = 4.7 Ivy = 5 SB, that makes HW approx 5% over Ivy and 10% over SB, clock per clock.

4.5 x 1.05 = 4.625
4.5 x 1.1 = 4.95

On the other hand, a CPU benchmark like chess or Cinebench would be a better benchmark for CPU speed.

Do you think the average person pulled 5ghz on Sandy? Hwbot says yes. If we take HWbot's info at face value (which I think favors non-Haswell parts because Haswell is harder to overclock without a proper guide), Haswell is on average faster than Ivy but slower than Sandy...

Average person didn't pull 5 on sandy, but it happened quite a bit. It's deffo a good 200 or 300 up i'd say

And also.. IPC gains vary by task. I can tell you right now in x264 that if you match clocks, Haswell has MASSIVE gains of ivy bridge and especially sandy bridge. I benched with several people on OCN, and one such result is 3930k (6-core, lga2011 platform, quad channel RAM etc) performing less than 20% better than 4770k with matched clocks.

4670k is stronger than 2600k, probably. It's certainly a rival to the 8-thread FX cpu's, it's a little faster clock for clock from this data and you're not taking an 8320 to 4.8ghz on air easily.

The IPC gains were quite big, closer to like 15% over sandy - but x264 was special, as it benefited from architectural enhancements like avx2 support


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The median of this list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AldAG0FCQxM-dHFiVnRKMkdoT3BackRucFN2SjVhYkE&output=html&widget=true
is 4.699ghz.

And holy god, that chart has 448 submissions, that makes my chart look small! What the heck!

Everybody jumped ship to sandy and yawned at Haswell. 'Tis a shame because i was somewhat committed to it needing better singlethreaded performance than my nehalem CPU. If i had just bought like 3 months later, i would have had Sandy Bridge and could have invested like $500 somewhere else.
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Im surprised to see that low 4.66 average on sandy i5.

I guess the people with the good clockers are the one that sstill use 2500k/2600k.

I say that becuase it seems like 99% of the time I see one in someones sig its at 5g or above.

Ivyhas a lot of chips that hit 5ghz too. Not as many as sandy but a lot more than hw.
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Im surprised to see that low 4.66 average on sandy i5.

I guess the people with the good clockers are the one that sstill use 2500k/2600k.

I say that becuase it seems like 99% of the time I see one in someones sig its at 5g or above.

Ivyhas a lot of chips that hit 5ghz too. Not as many as sandy but a lot more than hw.

Ivy didn't go 5g often, it was just good batches. They also took higher volts a bit better - a few people ran 1.5v 24/7 for clocks like 5.0, accepting degradation. Others used 1.4 without too much worry

Sandy, really, only the good ones went to 5g. Especially later on, i heard about better binned ones showing up - however in 2011, 2012 - the majority i saw of them were around 4.4-4.8 (bad to good cooling), with above being the exception. 5g shows up somewhat often on OCN, but that's just people who are still using the chips, and they're great chips to hold 5g at acceptable volts, think haswell holding 4.7 @1.3-1.35 level good, at least.

Both Sandy and Ivy got some good batches though (there were a few batches of god ivy's that prime stabled 5g's at ~1.25-1.3!) and Haswell seems to have a few great chips, not really occasional truckloads of them. That has hurt somewhat.

Nowadays i think if you go in with good cooling (~£165 i5, ~£95 z87x-d3h, £40-60 cooling) i think you can probably expect 4.4-4.6 @1.3 and you could push 100-200mhz beyond that if you really wanted to
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Ivy didn't go 5g often, it was just good batches. They also took higher volts a bit better - a few people ran 1.5v 24/7 for clocks like 5.0, accepting degradation. Others used 1.4 without too much worry

Sandy, really, only the good ones went to 5g. Especially later on, i heard about better binned ones showing up - however in 2011, 2012 - the majority i saw of them were around 4.4-4.8 (bad to good cooling), with above being the exception. 5g shows up somewhat often on OCN, but that's just people who are still using the chips, and they're great chips to hold 5g at acceptable volts, think haswell holding 4.7 @1.3-1.35 level good, at least.

Both Sandy and Ivy got some good batches though (there were a few batches of god ivy's that prime stabled 5g's at ~1.25-1.3!) and Haswell seems to have a few great chips, not really occasional truckloads of them. That has hurt somewhat.

Nowadays i think if you go in with good cooling (~£165 i5, ~£95 z87x-d3h, £40-60 cooling) i think you can probably expect 4.4-4.6 @1.3 and you could push 100-200mhz beyond that if you really wanted to
Of 3 haswell chips I have owned my best is at 4.6@ 1.33v. Thats prime stable. It can run 4.8 but I dnt want to push voltages higher than my 4.6 even though temps are great h110 delided.

One needs over 1.384v for 4.4 stable. (i gave up tryibg to stabilize it and sold it)

The other one in my sons rig needs 1.38 for 4.5 which is tough on a hyper212 so I run it at 4.4 but its enough not to be too upset about it. With better cooling 4.5 is optainable.

So out of 3 I stil didnt get one that can do 4.7 at 1.25volts.

I might try one more bin if they release a k version of devils canyon.

I hope with refresh the quality control is higher as yeilds should in theory be better.
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Of 3 haswell chips I have owned my best is at 4.6@ 1.33v. Thats prime stable. It can run 4.8 but I dnt want to push voltages higher than my 4.6 even though temps are great h110 delided.

One needs over 1.384v for 4.4 stable. (i gave up tryibg to stabilize it and sold it)

The other one in my sons rig needs 1.38 for 4.5 which is tough on a hyper212 so I run it at 4.4 but its enough not to be too upset about it. With better cooling 4.5 is optainable.

So out of 3 I stil didnt get one that can do 4.7 at 1.25volts.

I might try one more bin if they release a k version of devils canyon.

I hope with refresh the quality control is higher as yeilds should in theory be better.

4.3 @1.3v would be 200mhz below average

4.7@1.25 would be more than that, like 300mhz above average. You can't really expect those

if you're throwing 1.35, 4.5-4.7 would be where i would bet, but there's a chance of being above/below

From what i've seen you got a little unlucky, one bad chip, one significantly (100-200mhz) below average and another a bit better than average
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