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Man... I think my i5-4670k is really finicky and particularly my MSI motherboard. It won't let me go past 1.3v core voltage for when I need to OC past 4.5 GHz. Is this problem just relevant to MSI mobos?

I've tried every increment from 1.22v-1.3v core to no avail. It just boots to the "Starting Windows" and never shows the Windows animation.

I tried to tinker with RAM timings, also tried using the XMP profile: 1600-9-9-9-24, 1.5v

Suggestions guys? frown.gif
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Originally Posted by nitroxyl View Post

Man... I think my i5-4670k is really finicky and particularly my MSI motherboard. It won't let me go past 1.3v core voltage for when I need to OC past 4.5 GHz. Is this problem just relevant to MSI mobos?

I've tried every increment from 1.22v-1.3v core to no avail. It just boots to the "Starting Windows" and never shows the Windows animation.

I tried to tinker with RAM timings, also tried using the XMP profile: 1600-9-9-9-24, 1.5v

Suggestions guys? frown.gif

Have you tried updating to the latest bios?
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Admittedly I'm fairly new to overclocking so please excuse my ignorance.

I'm overclocking or attempting to overclock a i7 4770k on an asus z87-k mobo. I'm using a hyper 212 evo air cooling solution.

Ive been trying to overclock with various setting and i'm getting pretty horrible results. The highest i've gotten is 4.1mhz semi stable and 4 mhz extremely stable ( prime 95 for 24 hrs without a blip)


I've set my uncore at 35 and have had my voltage at various levels from 1.25 to 1.2.. I started with my multiplier at 45 and moved it down to 4 for stability.

at 45 I would see the windows logo and blue screen
at 44 same as above
at 43 same as above
at 42 able to get in but immediate crash upone prime 95
at 41 almost immediate crash upon prime 95
at 40 stable at prime 95 for hours upon hours

I have experience installing aftermarket coolers so I highly doubt I used too much thermal paste but my speedfan says the temperature of my core go up almost immediately to 70 celcius as soon as I turn on prime 95. After I stop prime95 it drops down to around 30 degrees celcius within a few seconds as well. No gradual temperature changes.

I'm somewhat worried about pushing my voltage to anything higher than 1.25 with only a hyper 212 evo but perhaps a moderate bump would be ok.

I haven't updated my bios from the disk that the mobo came with. Is this a possible reason why my results are so horrid?

Im psyched to be joining this exciting community and any help from you season veterans would be much appreciated to get me off in the right direction.

Thanks in advance.

Welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy your stay. I'm not a 'seasoned veteran', in fact this is my first computer build ever. I just spent time to read and experiment.

 

You can try to up your input voltage but if I had to guess I don't think it would really do anything. I'm still under the impression that upping the input voltage (aka Vccin aka Vrin) won't help much if you're not pushing a higher voltage. You can try to set the input voltage to say, 1.9, 2.0v, but I wouldn't go any higher. There has been some speculation that setting input voltage too high when you don't need it nearly so high can cause instability but it's untested and just that, speculation.

 

To clarify: At 1.25v you're not stable at 4.1ghz? If we can't figure out a way to fix that, then you have a seriously bummed CPU. I needed 1.28v for 4.5ghz.

 

Also, speedfan was sensing temps above the actual temperature of the CPU on my friend's computer, I'd use HWinfo or Hwmonitor or Coretemp personally.

About the BIOS: I don't think it will help but hey, you should probably update regardless. It's a new launch, vendors will be doing updates to sniff out any bugs.

The sensors reading a sharp change in temps, that's normal, it does that for other people too with other software as well.

 

Also, by crashing do you mean a Bsod? If so, listing the Bsod code might help.

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Is there a difference between vcore and cpu voltage? lol

Also set my memory to auto isntead of xmp

Depends, where do you find "cpu voltage" value at?

For example in HWInfo it shows "CPU VID" which is the core voltage you put into the BIOS, basically. Then there's the Vcore reading in there, which shows the amount of voltage the CPU is currently actually using.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 8/29/13 at 9:46am
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Man... I think my i5-4670k is really finicky and particularly my MSI motherboard. It won't let me go past 1.3v core voltage for when I need to OC past 4.5 GHz. Is this problem just relevant to MSI mobos?

I've tried every increment from 1.22v-1.3v core to no avail. It just boots to the "Starting Windows" and never shows the Windows animation.

I tried to tinker with RAM timings, also tried using the XMP profile: 1600-9-9-9-24, 1.5v

Suggestions guys? frown.gif

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it won't let me go past 1.3v'. Just reading that makes me think your mobo literally won't let you set a value above 1.3v or won't register a value above 1.3v. But I read the rest of your post and it looks like the issue is you're not stable at 1.3v.

 

What are your settings for 4.5ghz?

For 4.5ghz I needed 1.28v. For 4.6 I needed a whopping 1.425v.

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I'm at work right now so I'll have to go home and check it out.
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All I know is messing around with the uefi for better performance is fun. I just hope I don't damage anything...
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My BIOS is updated to the latest version already.

Yes, you read that correctly. It literally won't let me set a value above 1.3v. Lol


Settings:

CPU Ratio: 45
EIST and Turbo boost: Enabled
Ring ratio: 44
XMP:1600-9-9-9-24,1.5v
VCCIN Voltage: Auto

Core Voltage Mode: Override
CPU Core Voltage: 1.3v

I was stable with my 4.4GHz OC at 1.25v~ yesterday night though, not sure why 4.5GHz is giving me all these issues.
Edited by nitroxyl - 8/29/13 at 9:59am
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All I know is messing around with the uefi for better performance is fun. I just hope I don't damage anything...

As long as you follow the guidelines for safe voltages and you don't do anything ridiculously stupid you should be fine.

I hope you get your OC problem sorted out, in my opinion a chip that can't hit 4.1ghz in 1.25v no matter what will likely never reach 4.2ghz stable... If I were inclined to trade in my CPU and refund it/swap it for another one, this would be one of the times where I would consider it.

 

Vccin don't pass 2.0

Vcore don't pass 1.45v to 1.5v. [Possible voltage degredation]. 

Vring don't pass 1.3 or 1.35v.

SA or Io Voltages: Pass +0.15v offset and you're in uncharted territory.

 

Core temps of course vary with voltage, cooling solution, ambient temps, stress test in question, etc.

And for the love of god do not stress with synthetics on adaptive voltage.

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My BIOS is updated to the latest version already.

Yes, you read that correctly. It literally won't let me set a value above 1.3v. Lol


Settings:

CPU Ratio: 45
EIST and Turbo boost: Enabled
Ring ratio: 44
XMP:1600-9-9-9-24,1.5v
VCCIN Voltage: Auto

Core Voltage Mode: Override
CPU Core Voltage: 1.3v

***BBQ?!

What MSI motherboard? I have the G45. I've heard of no such complaint reading other z87 MSI motherboards. This is bizarre! So what happens if you enter in a value of 1.3v? It just reverts back to 1.3v? Maybe there is a motherboard option screwing things up? The only problem I've had anywhere close to that was not being able to overclock at all, that was because I accidently hit their autooverclock feature, "oc genie".

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***BBQ?!
What MSI motherboard? I have the G45. I've heard of no such complaint reading other z87 MSI motherboards. This is bizarre! So what happens if you enter in a value of 1.3v? It just reverts back to 1.3v? Maybe there is a motherboard option screwing things up? The only problem I've had anywhere close to that was not being able to overclock at all, that was because I accidently hit their autooverclock feature, "oc genie".

Z87-G41

If I enter 1.31v, it reverts back to 1.3v. Same if I try 1.4v just to test it won't let me do it. Such a weird board.

*Edit

No I don't have OC Genie turned on.
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