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Skynet, that info about vring/voltage names is already inside the original post.

 

Hmm, when I set voltage mode from adaptive to override and I disable Cstates, I don't get 9c bsod anymore, instead I get colorful lines! It tends to only bsod at chess after 5+ hours though, which is nice.

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If I can't get this to 4.5 I will send it back I didn't pay this much time and money on something that won't even beat my previous cpu. However I'm at 1.30 vcore now and 1.775 vrin I'm not sure what voltages to increase for stability

Im sure you have but have you atried upping the Vccin?? to around 1.85 or even 1.9v ????

because a lot of chips to be stable past say 4.4ghz area you need more input voltage period idc if someone says 1.9 is to high bullcorn lol a lot of folks are having issues because they aren't increasing the input voltage enough if this value is undervoltaged your entire overclock is shot because this regulates how much overall voltage your chip is recieveing so simple enough try 1.95 man id bet your stable 4.5ghz

try this...
45x 1.32v

Uncore 40x 1.18v

Vccin 1.85-1.95v <<<<<<< big stability maker

Also increae your vccsa-io voltage to an offset of 0.100-0.150v

good luck hole this helped you get closer to 4.5 thumb.gif
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because a lot of chips to be stable past say 4.4ghz area you need more input voltage period idc if someone says 1.9 is to high bullcorn lol a lot of folks are having issues because they aren't increasing the input voltage

It needs to be tied to vcore.

For example if you set 1.9vrin instead of 1.6 with 1-1.1vcore, you'll have a terrible overclock. Same as if you set 1.4vcore with 1.7vrin it just won't really work at all, though it's worse to have too little than too much
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Someone on the forums some time ago I don't feel like finding the post but stated he killed 2 haswell chips by most likely taking his vccin or input voltage up to 2.2v statitng this killed his chip and a lot of folks since wont even come near 2.0v and wonder why they cannot obtain a higher overclock than 4.4-4.5ghz. Need to drop that notion he killed is stuff with poor settings and apparently he claims ram but it was prly a combo of sveral things anyways I and several other have taken their chips wel beyond 2.1-2.2v on air with no issues.

However I do stress to please not run your chip with a vccin of 2.2+ 24/7
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Thanks guy's decided to start over from square one. I'll try to stay with the vcore and vccin tied together by 0.5x it seems to allow me to boot into desktop earlier. However should the voltage regulator be at auto or enabled
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There's no reason to run like >2 though. Do some solid testing with STABLE SETTINGS. As an example i got 4.6ghz stable @1.26vcore with 1.76vrin and max LLC on giga board. Maybe not perfect - but i can say for certain that i've passed 20 hours of encoding and many dozens of hours of gaming with it and other stress tests like linpack without avx, while 1.72 and 1.8vrin both failed multiple times within hours, and would need like an extra 0.01vcore. That's being off by a bit of vrin (up to 0.04vrin..) so if it was off by 0.2, it would be a lot worse, and i found with both high and low overclocks, setting VRIN properly is the difference between rock solid stable and just flat out unbootable at a certain vcore, it's super important

Unless you're delidded with high end cooling (like belial with pushpushpullpull h110) i don't see any benefit going over 2.0 as you can't drive enough vcore to benefit from it
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I'll try to stay with the vcore and vccin tied together by 0.5x it seems to allow me to boot into desktop earlier

+0.5 with floor of 1.6 and ceiling of 2.0 i'd say if you don't have good reason to break it (or making smaller tweaks once stable) so that would be like: 1.15vcore, 1.65vrin, or 1.3vcore, 1.8vrin (with llc) just to say that in better terms. Good luck and take stuff slowly, make sure it's stable for everything you want to do, too. As a soft rule i'd also say if you're pulling vrin around like this, keep your ring/cache/uncore voltage at, below or close to vcore (not waay over) and use an uncore multiplier that you know is good for that voltage. For an example of why that's important - i drove ring voltage to 1.25 for one OC profile, but if i try to run that and the same ring/uncore multiplier with a lower VRIN, it doesn't work, it's the sole culprit for instability - so i'd lower ring voltage to a lower point and take uncore multi down with it if i was lowering VRIN significantly so that i could lower Vcore more at a given low vcore overclock
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Right what you said is def. correct but againt hat is your chip these chips very widely and for some they simply cannot run under 1.8v vrin and obtain a 4.5+ overclock simple as that yes you can crush your uncore ratio to 35x or something...and maintain a lower voltage however imo a gimped overclock is not what I want...

Also some need to check because it has been shown that windows8 and windows 7 can effect a overclock for instance....I will post the link once confirmed but after lots of testing its shown that windows8 due to the power manage sometimes wil require more voltage or more input voltage usually within 1-3% difference.

Confirmed this myself as running both 7 and 8 win8 seems to require slightly more input voltage to maintain full stability..
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and for some they simply cannot run under 1.8v vrin and obtain a 4.5+ overclock simple as that

If a chip can do 4.5 @1.2vcore, i wouldn't expect somebody to be over 1.75 or so, but if they need 1.4vcore for 4.5 then sure, that won't work at all with 1.75 vrin + droop from no llc
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yes you can crush your uncore ratio to 35x or something...and maintain a lower voltage however imo a gimped overclock is not what I want...

That was an example of a choice at a low overclock, where you can take for example 43x @1.15vcore, 1.65vrin, but if you were to do that, you'd be unstable with an uncore multi that required 1.25v. Used that as an example (because i ran into it and quickly fixed) that one set of settings does not fit all
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Is Ring Ratio the same as Uncore?
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One thing I have noticed with these chips is that they have a very distinct WALL that they hit, as with most chips are the same. It seems like the wall is very abrupt and no matter the amount of tweaking it doesn't really get you any further. I can game at 4.5 but it takes big voltage jumps between 4.4 and 4.6 but 4.7 no matter what I do, I cannot do anything other than maybe web browse, and that's with voltages all the way up to 1.46v. I am not delided and don't really think that this chip is even worthy of it, I will just hold out and maybe future batches will be better, then I will just sell this one off and hope for a better one later. So for the guys and gals out there banging there heads against the wall trying to push there chip a little further and it just wont do it, don't worry your not alone.
 
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