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Well, it seems like the sweet spot for my chip is 4.1ghz at 1.28v...unfortunately.

Oh well, I guess it's still an overclock. I just don't see how Intel can get away with selling processors specifically targeted toward overclockers when said processors have such ridiculous variations in quality.

The 'K' chips should be cherry-picked---each and every one. Any chip that can't get at least a decent overclock should be sold as a non-K chip. But that would make too much sense thumb.gif
    
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So in fact, I could potentially get lower temperatures, if I keep the uncore to default while taking the CPU to 4GHz?

Now about that VRIN thing. I was told to try out 1.6v. And that CPU vcore and VRIN is suppose to be around the same. Is there any hold on that?

I'm getting the entire Haswell setup this week here. But it never hurts to ask ahead smile.gif

Honestly, if you are only trying for a 4.0 overclock, I wouldn't change anything except the multiplier. You are going to wrap yourself up in knots over a change of 0.01V on VRIN or something when it makes no practical difference at all. I would be shocked if you couldn't leave everything on Auto and run 4.0 without a single issue. That's basically stock - there's no reason why the chip and motherboard couldn't handle that on Auto rules.
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Well, it seems like the sweet spot for my chip is 4.1ghz at 1.28v...unfortunately.

Oh well, I guess it's still an overclock. I just don't see how Intel can get away with selling processors specifically targeted toward overclockers when said processors have such ridiculous variations in quality.

The 'K' chips should be cherry-picked---each and every one. Any chip that can't get at least a decent overclock should be sold as a non-K chip. But that would make too much sense thumb.gif

Simple, AMD can't compete at this level. Therefore Intel gets to do whatever they want.

You win some and you lose some.

 

Sweet spot means different things to different people. Are you sticking with 4.1 then? I'd play with things a little bit more but if you fold I'd  go and overclock the uncore as high as I can as well.

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Honestly, if you are only trying for a 4.0 overclock, I wouldn't change anything except the multiplier. You are going to wrap yourself up in knots over a change of 0.01V on VRIN or something when it makes no practical difference at all. I would be shocked if you couldn't leave everything on Auto and run 4.0 without a single issue. That's basically stock - there's no reason why the chip and motherboard couldn't handle that on Auto rules.

I think he's being extra conservative in his starting expectations and he'll ramp things up later if all goes smoothly. I think.

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Call me biased but I think my method is the best.
I'm not really sure how to explain it more simply.

have you had the chance to take a look at my guide wizzie?

i think my videos will help alot of people on here. please comment.

I have linked your guide in my thread as an alternative for people.

i have a laugh when im reading such varying results with all the stress testing programs people are using. they may never know the program they are causing unnecessary vcore spikes if their cpu mode is set for adaptive , reflecting there temps.

example

i hit 100c on ibt what can i do?

stop using ibt! or if you do, ensure your vcore mode is set to static or override


your vcore should never exceed what you set it for. if it does your software is not up to date for haswell..period.

and for anyone who thinks AVX AVX2 or FMA instruction sets increase vcore voltage your wrong.

my stress test results at 4.7GHz with 4600MHz ring bus

Intel Extreme Tuning Utility- stable for 20 hours 100%

gaming- 100% stable 4-5 hours straight

rendering- 100% stable .rendered 4 videos to 1080p mp4 longest render took 85 minutes

prime 95- fails within 1 minute (even the newly posted version)

im so done with prime 95 with this platform!
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have you had the chance to take a look at my guide wizzie?

i think my videos will help alot of people on here. please comment.

I have linked your guide in my thread as an alternative for people.

i have a laugh when im reading such varying results with all the stress testing programs people are using. they may never know the program they are causing unnecessary vcore spikes if their cpu mode is set for adaptive , reflecting there temps.

example

i hit 100c on ibt what can i do?

stop using ibt! or if you do, ensure your vcore mode is set to static or override


your vcore should never exceed what you set it for. if it does your software is not up to date for haswell..period.

and for anyone who thinks AVX AVX2 or FMA instruction sets increase vcore voltage your wrong.

my stress test results at 4.7GHz with 4600MHz ring bus

Intel Extreme Tuning Utility- stable for 20 hours 100%

gaming- 100% stable 4-5 hours straight

rendering- 100% stable .rendered 4 videos to 1080p mp4 longest render took 85 minutes

prime 95- fails within 1 minute (even the newly posted version)

im so done with prime 95 with this platform!

Hey, I skimmed your guide.

I suggest listing that ring bus is uncore is cache ratio, Vccin is Vrin is input voltage, and busting the myth that a low uncore "bottlenecks" a CPU. Those two I think are the biggest issues I see people with.

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and for anyone who thinks AVX AVX2 or FMA instruction sets increase vcore voltage your wrong.

I have a multimeter that says it does.
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I have a multimeter that says it does.

How much does one cost, how does one use it, and is it perfectly accurate?

Never tried one before.

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How much does one cost, how does one use it, and is it perfectly accurate?
Never tried one before.

You can get a cheap one for $20. You need to have measurement points on the motherboard (or know where to connect it), and it's accurate enough to show a change in Vcore even if the actual reading isn't perfect. It may not be 100% accurate on the actual voltage, but when it changes from 1.34 to 1.36 you can be pretty sure that the voltage increased, even if the actual voltages were 1.345 and 1.365.
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Hey, I skimmed your guide.
I suggest listing that ring bus is uncore is cache ratio, Vccin is Vrin is input voltage, and busting the myth that a low uncore "bottlenecks" a CPU. Those two I think are the biggest issues I see people with.

cool thanks. different mobos use different terminology so i will update to include other mobo terminology I really believe you are maximizing your performance \ watt ratio be getting as close to a 1:1 ratio as possible. I still agree cpu frequency is king! thats why (like your guide) i shot for best possible cpu frequency first above all else!

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I have a multimeter that says it does.

would you be kind enough to link the software your using to measure this and briefly describe your testing methodology?

I have several multimeters kicking around, easy to access vcheck points so Im curious to have a little look see for myself

Thank You
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cool thanks. different mobos use different terminology so i will update to include other mobo terminology I really believe you are maximizing your performance \ watt ratio be getting as close to a 1:1 ratio as possible. I still agree cpu frequency is king! thats why (like your guide) i shot for best possible cpu frequency first above all else!
would you be kind enough to link the software your using to measure this and briefly describe your testing methodology?

I dunno about watt efficiency and I don't care for two reasons: 1. I just want the best CPU performance! 2. I don't pay power the bill. buttkick.gif

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Undelwalt (2017)
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Celapaleis (2013)
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
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XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
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14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
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Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
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Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
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Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
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Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
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Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
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Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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