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How much does one cost, how does one use it, and is it perfectly accurate?
Never tried one before.

They are pretty easy to use, the cost does depend on the quality & accuracy. A decent multimeter lasts a long time & has a lot of uses, so I don't recommend skimping with a super cheap one, but it doesn't have to be a top end Fluke. Pretty much any multimeter no matter how cheap would be better than trusting software.
I don't use them on the motherboards a lot, mainly when trying a new one to see how close the actual voltages are, but they are very useful for gpus when overvolting.
Software that shows gpu voltage may not even be in the same time zone with the actual, it can still show something like 1.2V when at 1.7V.
    
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They are pretty easy to use, the cost does depend on the quality & accuracy. A decent multimeter lasts a long time & has a lot of uses, so I don't recommend skimping with a super cheap one, but it doesn't have to be a top end Fluke. Pretty much any multimeter no matter how cheap would be better than trusting software.
I don't use them on the motherboards a lot, mainly when trying a new one to see how close the actual voltages are, but they are very useful for gpus when overvolting.
Software that shows gpu voltage may not even be in the same time zone with the actual, it can still show something like 1.2V when at 1.7V.

Funny, because I was cranking up volts on my GPU and HWinfo didn't measure a notcieably higher voltage.
The higher voltage didn't help me acheive higher overclocks though. Sad face.

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would you be kind enough to link the software your using to measure this and briefly describe your testing methodology?

I have several multimeters kicking around, easy to access vcheck points so Im curious to have a little look see for myself

I did the testing a while ago when I still had my case open, but I used the multimeter on the motherboard test points, and then ran a series of different tests. I did non-AVX Prime95 (26.6 I think), Prime 27.9 (so AVX), IBT 2.54 (also AVX) and the new Linpack (AVX2). I think I also used Cinebench or something, but I don't remember. I didn't write down all the voltages at the time, because I was more interested in the changes, but there was a measurable bump between non-AVX stuff and AVX stuff - on the order of 0.01 if I remember correctly. I don't recall whether AVX and AVX2 had the same relationship. I should try again with the FMA3 version of Prime95, if I get the time.

Please try it and see what you get - I'm guessing there are motherboard differences, but I'd like to see what you find out. I did my testing on a UD3H with manual voltage.

Edit: I'd especially like to see what happens with Adaptive, since Gigabyte doesn't have that option. And I used HWInfo and CPU-Z 1.64.0 to monitor the voltages - they both showed a bump under AVX, but I think they showed more the the multimeter.

I really need to re-run those tests now with the newer software and BIOS versions.
Edited by Forceman - 9/2/13 at 2:55pm
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my stress test results at 4.7GHz with 4600MHz ring bus

Intel Extreme Tuning Utility- stable for 20 hours 100%

gaming- 100% stable 4-5 hours straight

rendering- 100% stable .rendered 4 videos to 1080p mp4 longest render took 85 minutes

prime 95- fails within 1 minute (even the newly posted version)

im so done with prime 95 with this platform!
basically, it's not AVX stable. XTU doesn't use AVX. it's like Prime95 26.6.

prime95 27.9 is too extreme on AVX. "unrealistic" so to speak.
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I did the testing a while ago when I still had my case open, but I used the multimeter on the motherboard test points, and then ran a series of different tests. I did non-AVX Prime95 (26.6 I think), Prime 27.9 (so AVX), IBT 2.54 (also AVX) and the new Linpack (AVX2). I think I also used Cinebench or something, but I don't remember. I didn't write down all the voltages at the time, because I was more interested in the changes, but there was a measurable bump between non-AVX stuff and AVX stuff - on the order of 0.01 if I remember correctly. I don't recall whether AVX and AVX2 had the same relationship. I should try again with the FMA3 version of Prime95, if I get the time.

Please try it and see what you get - I'm guessing there are motherboard differences, but I'd like to see what you find out. I did my testing on a UD3H with manual voltage.

Edit: I'd especially like to see what happens with Adaptive, since Gigabyte doesn't have that option. And I used HWInfo and CPU-Z 1.64.0 to monitor the voltages - they both showed a bump under AVX, but I think they showed more the the multimeter.

I really need to re-run those tests now with the newer software and BIOS versions.

i have two multimeters, niether can measure .0x (hundredth of a volt) best i can read is .x (tenth of a volt)


stock and overclocked my multimeter shower PIV would idle at 1.7v and jump up to 1.8v under load

also measured Vrin. it had identical characteristics as vcore when at static or adaptive settings.



ok i had some interesting results heres what i did. set optimized defaults and enabled turbo boost. manually input


vcore- 1.150V static
vrin- 1.150V static

compared my values with the mutimeter xtu + cpuz using the following

xtu
cinebench
p95 fma3
occt
occt linpack avx enabled
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3

maximum vcore voltages with static voltage mode stock 3.9GHz

xtu 1.15V
cinebench 1.150V
p95 fma3 1.150V
occt 1.150V
occt linpack avxenabled 1.150V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.150V

did not see any abnormalities at all. voltage stayed consistently at 1.150V

please note i have seen fluctuation on haswell at .00x (thousandth of a volt) very commonly
+ \- .003V on average. I think this is normal and nothing really to note.


maximum vcore voltages with adaptive voltage mode stock 3.9GHz

xtu 1.150V
cinebench 1.150V
p95 fma3 1.190V
occt 1.190V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.190V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.190V

any of these programs overvolting is doing it unnecessarily. the results are more significant when overclocking




overclock test. just input some quick dirty values.

cpu multi 46x
uncore 39x
piv- default
vcore- 1.40V
vrin - 1.15V


maximum vcore voltages with static voltage mode stock 4.6GHz

xtu 1.40V
cinebench 1.40V
p95 fma3 1.40 V
occt 1.40V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.40V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.40V

maximum vcore voltages with adaptive voltage mode stock 4.6 GHz

xtu 1.40V
cinebench 1.400V
p95 fma3 1.49V
occt 1.49V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.49V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.49V

so basically for my board anyways. i would say the onboard sensors are fairly accurate. my test would be more precise if i had a multimeter that could measure -> a hundredth of a volt frown.gif
Edited by ProKoN - 9/2/13 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Anusha View Post

basically, it's not AVX stable. XTU doesn't use AVX. it's like Prime95 26.6.

prime95 27.9 is too extreme on AVX. "unrealistic" so to speak.

totally makes sense given my results

i figured as much, thanks for the re assurance!
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I'm finally stable on 4.4 but I was really hoping to reach 4.5

My temperature only reaches 76 at most perhaps it's possible to reach higher but I think my voltage might be a little high already. 1.9 vccin and 1.309 vcore what do you guys think?
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i have two multimeters, niether can measure .0x (hundredth of a volt) best i can read is .x (tenth of a volt) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

stock and overclocked my multimeter shower PIV would idle at 1.7v and jump up to 1.8v under load

also measured Vrin. it had identical characteristics as vcore when at static or adaptive settings.



ok i had some interesting results heres what i did. set optimized defaults and enabled turbo boost. manually input


vcore- 1.150V static
vrin- 1.150V static

compared my values with the mutimeter xtu + cpuz using the following

xtu
cinebench
p95 fma3
occt
occt linpack avx enabled
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3

maximum vcore voltages with static voltage mode stock 3.9GHz

xtu 1.15V
cinebench 1.150V
p95 fma3 1.150V
occt 1.150V
occt linpack avxenabled 1.150V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.150V

did not see any abnormalities at all. voltage stayed consistently at 1.150V

please note i have seen fluctuation on haswell at .00x (thousandth of a volt) very commonly
+ \- .003V on average. I think this is normal and nothing really to note.


maximum vcore voltages with adaptive voltage mode stock 3.9GHz

xtu 1.150V
cinebench 1.150V
p95 fma3 1.190V
occt 1.190V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.190V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.190V

any of these programs overvolting is doing it unnecessarily. the results are more significant when overclocking




overclock test. just input some quick dirty values.

cpu multi 46x
uncore 39x
piv- default
vcore- 1.40V
vrin - 1.15V


maximum vcore voltages with static voltage mode stock 4.6GHz

xtu 1.40V
cinebench 1.40V
p95 fma3 1.40 V
occt 1.40V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.40V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.40V

maximum vcore voltages with adaptive voltage mode stock 4.6 GHz

xtu 1.40V
cinebench 1.400V
p95 fma3 1.49V
occt 1.49V
occt linpack avx enabled 1.49V
linpack xeon x64 v11.0.3 1.49V
so basically for my board anyways. i would say the onboard sensors are fairly accurate. my test would be more precise if i had a multimeter that could measure -> a hundredth of a volt frown.gif

Yeah, I don't think measuring only to a tenth of a volt is going to tell you anything useful. It was definitely less than a tenth on my board.
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I'm finally stable on 4.4 but I was really hoping to reach 4.5

My temperature only reaches 76 at most perhaps it's possible to reach higher but I think my voltage might be a little high already. 1.9 vccin and 1.309 vcore what do you guys think?

When people ask me about whether their voltage is fine, all I answer back is whether their voltage parameters are dangerous due to degredation. What I'm saying is, I don't typically keep temperature in mind because the temps one can get at a voltage varies wildly depending on cooling setup, ambient temps, delid or not, stress test, etc.

 

So in terms of voltage only, you're fine. Anything 2v or under for Vccin is safe imo. Vcore anything under 1.45 or 1.5v is fine assuming the heat is not dangerous.

 

76C is not dangerous. Stay under 95 and definately 100C when stressing because the heat is not good for the CPU. After that, the only way to proceed is delid, better cooling setup, or an easier stress. Ok, try for 4.5. Goodluck.

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looks like I'm getting to to be stable but this BSOD 0x00000124 drive me nut's . anyone know what is related at.
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