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yes finally stable at 4.5 xtu and aid passed , i just need to fix the Vcore spike voltage CPU 4/5 @ 1.376 it does spikes to 1.392 sometimes. any work around?

x45
Vcore 1.36
Vring 1.25
Vrin 1.9
C states all enable. if I disable C states I cannot passe any stress test above. cCPU-Z report 800Mhz idle, voltage never down voltage. it seems to stay around 1.376 . any input?

Are you using adaptive? What Windows power setting?

 

When you said CPU 4/5 I'm not sure what you mean.

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Are you using adaptive? What Windows power setting?

When you said CPU 4/5 I'm not sure what you mean.

I mean 4.5, I fixed my post and I'm on Manual mode
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Are we all using the same revision chips still (mine is C0). I just can't understand how some can run XTU bench @ volts over 1.3v when that would make my system reach 100 degrees.. there has to be differences in the amount of glue Intel used per chip, otherwise I'm just lost.
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Are we all using the same revision chips still (mine is C0). I just can't understand how some can run XTU bench @ volts over 1.3v when that would make my system reach 100 degrees.. there has to be differences in the amount of glue Intel used per chip, otherwise I'm just lost.

in my loop i reach 84c on Linx and 95 on IBT. I'm just testing before my delid work smile.gif

GGuide - i7 3770k / 4770k get's LapPeD & DeliddeD.
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in my loop i reach 84c on XTU and 95 on IBT. I'm just testing before my delid work smile.gif

GGuide - i7 3770k / 4770k get's LapPeD & DeliddeD.

It's normal for Haswell to get a voltage bump under heavy load, especially when you're using any type of C states or adaptive voltage. There's no way to fix that, and the small bump becomes larger as your voltage increases. A bump is small in 1.2v ish or nonexistent, measurable in 1.3v. By the time you hit 1.47v or higher the difference is quite significant. And I'm not even talking about adaptive being stressed with Prime either. I mean simply running any load that uses 100% of CPU, even non-synthetic loads.

 

I can go test and double check to see if this occurs during a manual setting with Cstates off but I'm too lazy to do that today.

Maybe tomorrow.

There's always tomorrow. thumb.gif

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there has to be differences in the amount of glue Intel used per chip

Well that's a possibility.

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It's normal for Haswell to get a voltage bump under heavy load, especially when you're using any type of C states or adaptive voltage. There's no way to fix that, and the small bump becomes larger as your voltage increases. A bump is small in 1.2v ish or nonexistent, measurable in 1.3v. By the time you hit 1.47v or higher the difference is quite significant. And I'm not even talking about adaptive being stressed with Prime either. I mean simply running any load that uses 100% of CPU, even non-synthetic loads.

I can go test and double check to see if this occurs during a manual setting with Cstates off but I'm too lazy to do that today.
Maybe tomorrow.


There's always tomorrow. thumb.gif


Well that's a possibility.

Thanks for clarify that.

Yeah running adaptive mode you get the same amount of voltage and core all the time it may not work for me cuz I'm a nut reader , I read to much everyday. I may try later on the offset mode and see how it works. today is the first time play with my Haswell. It is fun to play with but sometimes it gives you headache.
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Thanks for clarify that.

Yeah running adaptive mode you get the same amount of voltage and core all the time it may not work for me cuz I'm a nut reader , I read to much everyday. I may try later on the offset mode and see how it works. today is the first time play with my Haswell. It is fun to play with but sometimes it gives you headache.

Yup. Some people enjoy the challenge but I just want performance, tweaking is something I take up for performance, not because I absolutely love tweaking, lol. After a while you kind of wish it was as easy as pushing one knob for max OC. ph34r-smiley.gif

 

In other news: Still no BIOS update for G45 gaming. Did MSI forget about us?


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Yup. Some people enjoy the challenge but I just want performance, tweaking is something I take up for performance, not because I absolutely love tweaking, lol. After a while you kind of wish it was as easy as pushing one knob for max OC. ph34r-smiley.gif


In other news: Still no BIOS update for G45 gaming. Did MSI forget about us?
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Originally Posted by skyn3t View Post

yes finally stable at 4.5 xtu and aid passed , i just need to fix the Vcore spike voltage CPU 4.5 @ 1.376 it does spikes to 1.392 sometimes. any work around?

x45
Vcore 1.36
Vring 1.25
Vrin 1.9
C states all enable. if I disable C states I cannot passe any stress test above. cCPU-Z report 800Mhz idle, voltage never down voltage. it seems to stay around 1.376 . any input?

What are you using to check the voltage? CPU-Z will not show the correct voltage with anything newer than 1.64.0, and with an Asus motherboard it may be difficult to find something that shows it accurately at all. You can try HWInfo, one of the weirdly named voltages may be Vcore.
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Are we all using the same revision chips still (mine is C0). I just can't understand how some can run XTU bench @ volts over 1.3v when that would make my system reach 100 degrees.. there has to be differences in the amount of glue Intel used per chip, otherwise I'm just lost.

There is some variation in chips for sure, also the type of cooling, and most importantly, whether someone has delidded or not. A 20C drop from delidding makes a big difference.
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