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What is the final verdict then?

Or maybe there isnt "one right way only"?

EDIT: I did some more research, and came up with this method. Any complains?

Stress Cache alone 30min to 1 hour

Stress CPU / FPU / Cache all together for 7-8 hours

And the research I found, also said not to bother with the "Stress memory" unless you overclock your memory beyond factory speeds.

Is using AIDA64 extrem edition enough? Or do I also need to use other programs, such as IntelBurn test?
Edited by wendigo4700 - 9/3/13 at 2:29pm
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So what's the point of using IBT if aida64 gives much lower temps? No real-world application will ever stress the system as much as IBT, right?

In aida64 I get 95c max at 1.3v, which is still awful, but it's a lot more manageable.

Another thing I was wondering: Gigabyte boards don't seem to have adaptive voltage, but shouldn't having all the c-states enabled cause the vcore to drop at idle? I have them all enabled but I still get full clock speed + full vcore at idle.
    
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So what's the point of using IBT if aida64 gives much lower temps? No real-world application will ever stress the system as much as IBT, right?

In aida64 I get 95c max at 1.3v, which is still awful, but it's a lot more manageable.

Another thing I was wondering: Gigabyte boards don't seem to have adaptive voltage, but shouldn't having all the c-states enabled cause the vcore to drop at idle? I have them all enabled but I still get full clock speed + full vcore at idle.

Do you do any x264 encoding? If so, you should test with that, as Aida and IBT stable overclocks will fail x264 encoding. It doesn't get as hot as IBT, but it stresses the CPU more in some other way.

What are you using to monitor the voltages? You need to set Balanced for your Windows power plan to get it to downclock, and you need to be monitoring the voltage with HWInfo or CPU-Z 1.64.0, the newer versions don't work right. You may also need to manually enable EIST, C1e, C3 and C6/7 in the BIOS - Auto may silently switch to disabled when overclocked.
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Do you do any x264 encoding? If so, you should test with that, as Aida and IBT stable overclocks will fail x264 encoding. It doesn't get as hot as IBT, but it stresses the CPU more in some other way.

What are you using to monitor the voltages? You need to set Balanced for your Windows power plan to get it to downclock, and you need to be monitoring the voltage with HWInfo or CPU-Z 1.64.0, the newer versions don't work right. You may also need to manually enable EIST, C1e, C3 and C6/7 in the BIOS - Auto may silently switch to disabled when overclocked.

I was using the most recent version of CPU-Z. I'll try the older version as soon as I'm done with my 12 hour aida64 run. Thanks for the tip.
    
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What's the actual reason to stress for so long in AIDA, i mean there's no scenario you will actually utilize your cpu for that long at 100%?

I thought it's usually fine if you can pass 45-60 minutes, unless you plan to bit-mine or whatever 24/7.

Also set your memory to 1GB or highest on AIDA, stasio recommended this.
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What's the actual reason to stress for so long in AIDA, i mean there's no scenario you will actually utilize your cpu for that long at 100%?

I thought it's usually fine if you can pass 45-60 minutes, unless you plan to bit-mine or whatever 24/7.

Also set your memory to 1GB or highest on AIDA, stasio recommended this.

Ask 10 people, and you will get 10 different answers properly.

After my research, I just found out, you dont have to use the Memory benchmark, unless you overclock them.

If you keep the memory at default speed/timings and never had a single problem with the memory. And runs memtest for +5 hours with no errors. Why test them out even further?
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What's the actual reason to stress for so long in AIDA, i mean there's no scenario you will actually utilize your cpu for that long at 100%?

I thought it's usually fine if you can pass 45-60 minutes, unless you plan to bit-mine or whatever 24/7.

It's just to give more time to find an error. Say you have settings that will throw an error once every million calculations - 60 minutes of Aida may only end up being half a million claculations and so you'd never see the error. Running Aida (or whatever) for 6 hours though, would give you 3 chances to hit that one in a million error. If you ran Aida for only an hour you'd think everything was fine, and then later on you'd hit that one in a million chance while gaming or something. Better to find it in stress testing instead of while doing something you don't want to crash.

And I realize it doesn't actually work that way, and those numbers are all made up, but I'm just trying to illustrate the thinking.
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Ask 10 people, and you will get 10 different answers properly.

After my research, I just found out, you dont have to use the Memory benchmark, unless you overclock them.

If you keep the memory at default speed/timings and never had a single problem with the memory. And runs memtest for +5 hours with no errors. Why test them out even further?


I do agree with you 100%. when I started doing my search before the reading "I'll never do it again" they keep repeating or give me randomly awnsers on the same question. The beter is reading and understand before ask anything. When you do it you just start to see how much it cost you if you have read the guide in the first place also you will notice how many question are answered wrong.
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What's the actual reason to stress for so long in AIDA, i mean there's no scenario you will actually utilize your cpu for that long at 100%?

I thought it's usually fine if you can pass 45-60 minutes, unless you plan to bit-mine or whatever 24/7.

Also set your memory to 1GB or highest on AIDA, stasio recommended this.

Because it's hard to determine how stable you really are. You can say right, all I do is game and it barely ever touches 100% of CPU load, therefore prime95 for 5 minutes should be ok. No, sometimes you will crash sometimes you will not. Take my chess for example. I bsod sometimes in 5 hours, sometimes after 48 hours no bsod. In the past I've bsoded in 15 minutes. And chess is a worst case real life load, it's not a light load either, and it can take so long to sniff out instability.

 

In other words, running a specific load for 5 minutes doesn't mean you will run it without crash every time you do the load for 5 minutes. It doesn't mean you will not bsod if you run a lighter load for 5 minutes, either. That's not how stability works.


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And speak of the devil, no crashes in 24 hours and then boom, two Bsods within 15 minutes of each other. 124, 101. And I"m on friggin' 2.0v Vccin. Go any higher and I might as well jackhammer to the moon!

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