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Oh, so you're saying upping Io voltage allowed you to lower Vcore a lot and still maintain stability?

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Oh, so you're saying upping Io voltage allowed you to lower Vcore a lot and still maintain stability?

Well not specifically but at least changing them around had a bigger impact then i thought, could also be some other setting like increase of vring.
Whatever it was it made a huge diff

I guess since normal desktop usage won't crash me it's time for her second run in aida this time for an hour or two, wish me luck lol.

I also noticed going from 3.5 Uncore to 3.9 makes my desktop act much smoother then before.

I crashed but increasing vcore made me unable to boot to desktop, tried 1.290 it failed so i decreased by 1 back to 1.285 and here i am again, could be that it wants more vccin right?
Edited by Hyolyn - 9/4/13 at 1:36pm
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If you're failing to boot you're not even remotely close to real stability under load. One of the problems with testing like this is many times you think you're stable but you're not, and Bsods punch you in the face 3 days later, lol. Just gotta be willing to back and edit the settings.

 

 

I need a friggin' 12 core machine for chess.

One day I will get a 100 core machine for this... CPUs are never fast enough!

 

Need Skylake-E NOW.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 9/4/13 at 2:22pm
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If you're failing to boot you're not even remotely close to real stability under load. One of the problems with testing like this is many times you think you're stable but you're not, and Bsods punch you in the face 3 days later, lol. Just gotta be willing to back and edit the settings.


I need a friggin' 12 core machine for chess.
One day I will get a 100 core machine for this... CPUs are never fast enough!

Need Skylake-E NOW.

The thing is, why can i boot stable and browse and all on lower voltages, but when just increased by one i won't even reach desktop?
Really won't make much sense to me, can anyone tell me what a sensible setting would be on System Agent Offset?

In aida i pass every test besides fpu, can anyone make something out of that?

Edit figured out it's so toutchy becuase ever vcore voltage has it's own cycle that works best with certain vccin, so if i got it right, it's just normal 1.286, wont boot but 1.288 will and so on.

Correct me if i'm totally off please
Edited by Hyolyn - 9/4/13 at 3:05pm
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If you're failing to boot you're not even remotely close to real stability under load. One of the problems with testing like this is many times you think you're stable but you're not, and Bsods punch you in the face 3 days later, lol. Just gotta be willing to back and edit the settings.


I need a friggin' 12 core machine for chess.
One day I will get a 100 core machine for this... CPUs are never fast enough!

Need Skylake-E NOW.

I'm with you Skylake-E will be my next upgrade. Haswell-E will most likely be just as disappointing as Ivy-E in my eyes, and by the time Skylake-E is out, games, and a lot more programs can actually utilize some freaking cores.
Edited by jameyscott - 9/4/13 at 3:13pm
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You'd have to use a multimeter to say that, software voltage is both inaccurate and only moves in (relatively) big steps, like you can add +0.005v and not see a step change in software, even if vcore increased by that much

Not in my case because there are no voltage read points on my board, I have already tried. And I have had plenty reason not trust my Vcore readings because they have behaved irregularly, but it is the only thing I have to go off of. Not long ago I was advocating ignoring the Vcore readings because we didn't have any control over it, but that isn't necessarily true. The reading on HWMonitor can be used to help adjust the VID accordingly. Sure it might be off by slight margins, but it can still help you to achieve stability.
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I'm with you Skylake-E will be my next upgrade. Haswell-E will most likely be just as disappointing in my eyes, and by the time Skylake-E is out, games, and a lot more programs can actually utilize some freaking cores.

Hehe, I said Skylake-E because that's the only architecture after Broadwell I can recall off the top of my head.

I'm looking for hardcore chess performance and that means having as many, highly-clocked cores as possibly. Houdini 3 supports up to 32 cores.

 

Granted once I wait around for Skylake-E, the extra cores will no doubt be useful in non-chess tasks, in games too!

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Hehe, I said Skylake-E because that's the only architecture after Broadwell I can recall off the top of my head.
I'm looking for hardcore chess performance and that means having as many, highly-clocked cores as possibly. Houdini 3 supports up to 32 cores.

Granted once I wait around for Skylake-E, the extra cores will no doubt be useful in non-chess tasks, in games too!

I just feel by the time Skylake-E is here, my 4670k will start to show her age, even on a daily OC of 4.5GHz.
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Update. I was able to increase the core speed and decrease the vCore. LinX Stable.



Core: 4800
Cache: 4500
Vcore: 1.375
Cache: 1.275

Everything else the same.
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Whats the difference between HWMonitor and HWInfo? Is it better than CPU-Z? I've been using CPU-Z and RealTemp Tech Inferno edition, and it's worked quite well.

I think this depends on your board. I don't see anything wrong with latest CPU-Z personally, it basically matches what I have in BIOS, same for Realtemp TI. HWInfo64 and HWMonitor are questionable at best because I see my volts go down to 0 often and then when they do jump back up, they're always 0.02v more than in BIOS or those other 2 programs (latest version of all).

I also don't believe CPU-Z 1.64v, I don't see why Manual mode would drop volts like Adaptive and that is supposedly the only program that shows it correctly.
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