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Guys.. that was with Prime 27.9.
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Guys.. that was with Prime 27.9.

 

Oh wow. Uhm...

Test with your water cooling kit at 1.2-1.25v, see what temps you get. I got 80C. You get higher than me then your CPU was made by a cow. Or your ambient temps are 90F or above so you basically live in a desert.

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Yeah well, the whole issue is made a wee bit more complex than it needs to be from the bad readings of Vcore from Hwinfo on some mobos, but the Hwinfo teams promises future updates will fix those issues.


The FTW guy showed his HWinfo showing Vcore being completely and utterly off, but some oddball sensor on there under Vcore I've never seen before with a decently accurate voltage. Although I guess one can look around all the voltages, see if one varies with load and is in the range of values for Vcore (If one accidentally looks at voltage for a 12v rail they'll now it's not right because no CPU Vcore can be 12v).

I only know of two other Haswell threads, the official one with literally no info, just chat, and the Gigabyte Overclocking Guide, which actually has info, but of course I prefer my approach better. Thanks for the compliment, if I can beat Official haswell Thread in posts I will be giddy. 

Right now I've upped the Io/SA voltages from 0.1v+ offset to a 0.135v+ offset. I tried x42 uncore but I moved it back to x41, the performance vs headaches that will cause isn't worth it IMO. SO I'm sticking around at 1.425v Vcore (VID) in the BIOS and 1.275v Vring. x46/x41.

And as Anusha dreadfully realized, Haswell stability is a wild card. You can pass stability test (synthetics or not, take your pick) today, and fail it with flying colors the next day. It's bizarre. Likewise with chess, I've certified myself as passing 24hours of chess in a row, and then I've had Bsod after 15 minutes. And then maybe after another 15 hours it could Bsod. I dunno.

I have written down the settings for a 4.5ghz overclock that I wrote down as 12 hr prime stable. Unless my past self lied to me, that seems like a mighty fine fallback setting in case things go south.

There is a decent thread over on TechPowerUp titled the Haswell Overclocking Clubhouse, but I haven't had a chance to read through all the posts yet. I haven't been messing with my OC settings for a bit since I locked in 4.6 and 4.7, but I have discovered something new today. The VCCIN (or CPU input voltage) dips under load and then returns to it's set value while at idle. On my board at least LLC directly influences VCCIN, but it doesn't necessarily counter the droop. It just raises the idle value so it is then higher when it dips under load. My VCCIN is around 1.786V (LLC level 2 out of 8) while at idle, but it dips down to 1.760V while running Prime, and even lower 1.746V while running IBT/Linpack. I haven't noticed an effect on stability because I am currently stable, but I wonder if it could only help.

That 4.5 GHz @ 1.280V isn't a bad fallback if your current OC ultimately doesn't want to stabilize, but I know there isn't much fun in that. I have been making small tweaks to my OCs, but nothing note worthy recently, so I actually kinda miss the challenge of trying to lower voltages and get stable. I might dust off the 4.8 GHz OC and give that a go, especially now that ambient temps are getting more comfortable with the end of the season here in New England. Although I know I will rarely use it, it bothers me that it isn't stable, and I enjoy the challenge. With that being said I would say keep at it until you have totally exhausted your possibilities, because it will likely bother you if you have to settle after spending that much time...
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After burning the 4th core on my last chip I have backed off from using Prime95 and LinX as a stress test . Since I only game and GPU fold on this rig I am going to go way old school and use those apps as my 'stress test'. If it passes my needs, who gives a crap if it can't Prime for 48 hours. I have Xeons for the real work thumb.gif
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After burning the 4th core on my last chip I have backed off from using Prime95 and LinX as a stress test . Since I only game and GPU fold on this rig I am going to go way old school and use those apps as my 'stress test'. If it passes my needs, who gives a crap if it can't Prime for 48 hours. I have Xeons for the real work thumb.gif
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That's weird.
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Heya dudes took some numbers:

4.0ghz 1.1vcore, 1.65vrin, super conservative settings because i don't have a 4ghz profile

avx2 linpack - linx 0.6.5 - - - max temps 76/79/79/77c - 113w cpu package power

avx1 linpack - old version from IBT - - - max temps 67/70/70/67c - 95w cpu package power

linpack without avx - occt 4.4 version - - - max temps 59/60/60/56c - 76w cpu package power


I can compare the temperatures and reported CPU package power stat to other loads, but i'm pretty sure they're pretty tightly knit together and it takes a LOT more voltage to get it anywhere near 115w with other loads


edit:

x264 encoder using avx2 - - - max temps 56/57/57/55c, 72w cpu package power - you guys see what i'm getting at?

That's with a silver arrow.
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Gaming and Hyperthreading.

How much would more Mhz would I need to justify disabling HT. A review at Techpowerup between the 4760K and 4770K, both at 4Ghz, seem to show a 20% divide in BF3. That is crazy. On my last rig there was no benefit to HT, if anything it was slower (Bloomfield/Gulftown). Has Intel HT become that more efficient? If so, I think you would almost have to keep it, as to even get 20% more clocks I would need 5.4 Ghz.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_and_i7_4770K_Comparison/8.html
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Has Intel HT become that more efficient?

HT is the same, it's just the usage of it that's different. There's a few games that can benefit from it, mainly the ones that highly load many CPU cores. Just a few though, so far
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So after trying few programs, this is what I saw (stock with stock cooler).

Folding, x264 v5 bench, Cinebench and XTU stress test are between 83-86 degrees. If I closed the side window and let the programs run, I'm not sure if the temps would go up. While XTU bench, Prime 27.9, IBT 2.54, AIDA64 and OCCT 4.4 are >100 degrees.
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Yea i think intel just gave up on running anything aside from facebook and a few games on the stock cooler
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