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VRIN, Input Voltage, VCCIN is all the IVR voltage. Different manufacturers call it different things.

On air, max VRIN is 2.0-2.2V. Now, raising VRIN cannot grant higher overclocks. It can only stabilize an OC that you are very close to being stable at. Say for example, you get a BSOD after a few hours of Prime95. You might be able to stabilize it by increasing VRIN by 0.1V. Cache ratio that doesn't have adequate voltage can make you think you need more vcore than you really do. That's why I leave mine on auto, because it doesn't increase performance anyway.

Raising VRIN can also allow you to lower vcore in some cases, but it isn't a guarantee.

I have noticed this behaviour but I have a question... VRIN feeds the FIVR which feeds vCore, vRing, vCCIOD/vCCIOA, and System Agent. Bumping up VRIN has stabilised an overclock in the exact scenario you describe above. Would the same result occur if we bumped all the post-FIVR voltages by +0.01 while trying to keep the VRIN-vCore value as close to 0.4v as possible (as suggested by the ASUS ROG blog post)? In other words, is this a duty cycle and/or ripple issue or is it something else? I ask because it seems like, anecdotally (and I could be totally wrong), high VRIN and/or VRIN-vCORE delta is causing early degradation of Haswell CPUs. Thoughts?

On the g1 sniper m5 the default vrin is 1.810v and the board gives the processor around 1.116v so may e a high delta wont degrade it since gigabyte decided to make the default that high. But if your theory of 0.4 is correct then a lot of us need something like 1.700 only when using 1.300v
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okay update again.

few minute ago. the pc got bsod and reboot by itself. I don't know what does that mean?
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okay update again.

few minute ago. the pc got bsod and reboot by itself. I don't know what does that mean?

Means whatever setting you had, it probably wasn't stable enough.

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it is strange I set the vcore to 1.25 and when I do prime95. the vcore is lower than that.
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What vcore did it show as using?

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I set the vcore on bios (1.25) and when I use prime95 ( it is 1.184)
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Tell me Lads, is there any possibility to overclock "i7 4700MQ" on MSI Dragon Edition 2 ?
There is only one FAN, small case, poor quality thermal grease i suppose ..

Thanks in advance..
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Hi guys,

I told you before that I had terrible 4770k Batch L313B846. My max was 4.4 Ghz at 1.344. At 4.5 GHz I booted only in win and more was unable to even try it. So I sent it back.. One thing is interesting. I have in bios - I have Asus Z87-PRO CPU core voltage I mean stock 1.056V. I guess it's stock voltage..

I found on ebay seller who had L310B488 what I was looking for. So I bough that and today I first time turned on. In Bios it has Cpu core voltage 1.008V. So in this first point it's a LOT BETTER. CPU cache coltage is 1.015V. I tried, just for basic knowledge. Set it manually at 4.5 GHz, and manualy set voltage at 1.2V. and it booted okey in WIN! Cache was at 35 manually. I don't wanna scream, but it seems it will be good. I hope it will be.. smile.gif

Tomorrow I wil try more. Now, I have to go to sleep smile.gif
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Holy lord. I forgot I was on adaptive and used prime for a few seconds for the lols.
1.528v read and I was on 1.385v. Good thing I didn't set it and went to sleep, that may have propelled my CPU to the moon!

It's hard to benchmark/stress anything until I get my own voltage problem fixed. Right now I am testing my chess max temps vs my max temps from other tasks: Encoding, gaming, etc. I do not have BF3 for stability testing, unfortunately, only Crysis 3, but that kind of bogs my CPU down in 16 vs 16 games too.

Probably better off just using manual voltage for now, until adaptive gets worked out - if you have the C states enabled the cores aren't getting any voltage when they are sleeping anyway, so it's not a huge power difference/savings.
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I set the vcore on bios (1.25) and when I use prime95 ( it is 1.184)

What software are you using to monitor the voltage?
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I use openhardware monitor.
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