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Nice score...

Many reviews I read indicated the MSI boards were just not performing as well as the others. I considered it too.

As far as overclocking on z87, buy boards for the features & look you are after, the cpu clocks depend more on the cpu than the board. Some boards will do better with memory than others but that will really only matter to memory junkies. You do still have to watch out for the lower end boards that may have limited bios options.

The MSI boards aren't bad, ran this on the mpower max

    
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As far as overclocking on z87, buy boards for the features & look you are after, the cpu clocks depend more on the cpu than the board. Some boards will do better with memory than others but that will really only matter to memory junkies. You do still have to watch out for the lower end boards that may have limited bios options.

The MSI boards aren't bad, ran this on the mpower max
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+1 this is my impression, I chose the gene for gaming audio which I must say is outstanding and the looks as pretty much gone all red.
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what is it mean if the system reboot itself without bsod error code?
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what is it mean if the system reboot itself without bsod error code?

It means treat it like a BSOD. I.E. Up your voltage depending on what you are trying to do.
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I believe for the 4770k 1.45v vcore is the maximum on air.

Depends on many factors. I don't care for saying "this is max for air" because some people will throttle much before that or at 1.45 etc depending on what they do.

 

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i am testing the NB frequency and i got weird results, for instance i have better results with x38 (1.1v) vs x42 (1.2v) so i leave it at 3800NB and the CPU is at 4.5GHz (1.25v)

Could in margin of error?

 

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Probably not unless its the CPU is delided, at 1.340 volts not even an H220 can keep it from throttling in synthetics like Prime95 SmallFTT.

It depends. Let the person doing the testing decide what stress, what cooling system, what ambients, how long the test is, etc. Varies too much, I just say keep in mind voltage if it's too high causing degradation, or temps above 90C. This is uncore voltage. Newest Prime is junk imo.

 

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Cant understand your thinking. What is the obsession with clock speed? for what reason do you need so much clock speed? pro bencher? gamer? 4770k@4.5 is super fast lol I came from 8320@5ghz as you have come from Amd and it is night and day. Not even comparable. Uses far less power and is much faster. I have mine now at 4.5 under water and can game with my corsair sp120 fans@500rpm in complete silence. This is the best money I have ever spent on computer components.

 

Because CPUs are never fast enough. Still CPU bottlenecked in some games, chess is an endless black hole for CPUs. Gain is very small no doubt but if I can go 6ghz, yeah I can see a difference.

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If I absolutely have to accept something like 4.5 ghz, provided I can get it stable, then I see no sense in spending $370 on the board I have (maximus vi extreme). I wanted the best chance to get the highest overclock, while I would be disappointed if I cant get much higher than this I am def not spending that much on a board when I can get a cheaper board to do the same.

And all that aside I STILL haven't stabilized anything, even with absurdly high voltages.

Edit: Had this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CRJUG10/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ordered this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CU4L6DE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Well should have gotten it for the features not overclockability, JJ from Asus said it himself.

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+1 this is my impression, I chose the gene for gaming audio which I must say is outstanding and the looks as pretty much gone all red.

 

Already said it in the guide: It's a CPU silicon lottery. As in, not a mobo lottery.

   
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@Darkwizzie - cpu bottleneck? in which games have you found this and with what gpu setup?
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@Darkwizzie - cpu bottleneck? in which games have you found this and with what gpu setup?

 

Prime example is Enemy Territory with many bots. Single threaded, 1 core at 100%, GPU at 50%, that is with SSAA x4. Oblivion isn't as much CPU bottleneck per se but is still very CPU reliant and limited to one core ish. Lots of enemies fighting and FPS drops. I'm sure others have played games like this that I don't know of.

   
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Prime example is Enemy Territory with many bots. Single threaded, 1 core at 100%, GPU at 50%, that is with SSAA x4. Oblivion isn't as much CPU bottleneck per se but is still very CPU reliant and limited to one core ish. Lots of enemies fighting and FPS drops. I'm sure others have played games like this that I don't know of.

That's what mods are for! I'm sure there is a mod to make Oblivion use more cores.
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@Darkwizzie - cpu bottleneck? in which games have you found this and with what gpu setup?

I've ran into it in Starcraft 2 (massive, my 770 on max settings downclocks to half clockspeed on max settings, haswell has >50% lead over piledriver, some would argue 80 due to good scaling), borderlands 2, planetside 2, guild wars 2, rome total war 2 is heavily cpu bottlenecked, basically anything with a "2" in it and you're screwed it seems. Oh, crysis 3, battlefield 3 and 4. CPU bound games are not rare, and heavily CPU bound games that don't scale well onto multiple cores are far too common. Every game i listed will be limited by the CPU on a single GPU, and not a gk110
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I've ran into it in Starcraft 2 (massive, my 770 on max settings downclocks to half clockspeed on max settings, haswell has >50% lead over piledriver, some would argue 80 due to good scaling), borderlands 2, planetside 2, guild wars 2, rome total war 2 is heavily cpu bottlenecked, basically anything with a "2" in it and you're screwed it seems. Oh, crysis 3, battlefield 3 and 4. CPU bound games are not rare, and heavily CPU bound games that don't scale well onto multiple cores are far too common. Every game i listed will be limited by the CPU on a single GPU, and not a gk110

Never seen anything approaching cpu bound in crysis 3, I have 900hrs in bf3 on a 8320@5ghz with 7870 crossfire, when gpu dropped to the mid 70% say on Oman was never below cpu use, and is poorly optimised in the most case but mainly relating to crossfire/sli and we do not know how bf4 will be yet. The other games agreed are cpu heavy but again poor coding and old optimisation or bottleneck?? bottleneck is the most over used term on this and any pc forum today. Bf3 uses 6 threads, bf4 rumoured to use 8 and crysis 3 uses 8 just from my play time.
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