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I have been playing around with my Cache Ratio (ring bus) at higher values closer to my OC of 4.6 and it does make it less stable. I originally was using 3.8 GHz cache ratio, but have bumped it up to 4.2 and 4.4 for testing. Although I have increased the Cache voltage the core voltage also needs to be bumped up slightly to keep it stable. I have been doing runs of Prime for 5 hours to test stability. I don't know that the higher cache ratio is really worth the extra voltage it requires, albeit small increases. So lowering the cache ratio definitely can help to stabilize OCs at higher multis.
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I am wondering am I qualify yet to be on the list.
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I am wondering am I qualify yet to be on the list.

Are your settings final or close to final?

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in 10-20 minutes I will stop the prime95 and go to bios and screenshot the setting,
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As I said in this thread's original post, AVX2 stressing is pointless and will just stifle your overclocking ability if you don't even use AVX2. I know I don't. Prime's got AVX stressing, you pass it, you're fine. 

But you know, if you want to throttle at less than 1.3v when I'm at closer to 1.4v on air, that's fine too. Your machine. Did you build the machine to Linpack overnight every night?

I have seen many like you here. They will stress their PCs and make stability with your assumption, only for 6 months to 1 year to pass and they are here posting instability with previously stable settings. What you don't realize is application development never stops, newer instructions means better superior performance over previous instructions, just because no one is using AVX or AVX2 right now doesn't mean it was put in the processor for decoration or for fun. Apps will afterwards start using it and you will be definitely unstable.....period!
Am watching you closely now and will refer you to this post ones you are here as an OP with instability.
Quote:
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Aida is a total BS program. It had me believe that I was stable at 4.8 at 1.290V because it ran for over 5 hours (I have the screenshot). Then it failed almost instantly while running Cinebench a single time. I then tested it with IBT and Prime and I need at least 1.325V to even get them to run. I haven't done real testing at 4.8 because I won't use that speed for any length of time. I wanted to just get an idea of the ball park voltages needed for 4.7 and 4.8. Aida is very misleading...

I know of some Aida fan boys here who would flame the hell out of your comment just because its FPU cause you chip to heat up like a super nova (significantly much higher than prime can currently do).
I find that really stupid because the idea is stability not how much a synthetic can flame up your chip.
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There is no single program that can be used to declare your system "stable". If you can run a bunch of passes of IBT on Very High or Maximum, or you can pass 6 hours or so of Prime95, then it is probably "stable enough". I've started running 10 passes of IBT at Very High (because Maximum takes forever), then encode a 2 hour movie in x264, then run some game benchmark loops (Sleeping Dogs, Metro:LL, Stalker: CS, and BF3). If it gets thorugh all that, then it's good enough for what I use it for, which is general prodcutivity and gaming. If you want to fold on it, or do mission critical tasks, then you might want to do some more in-depth testing, but at some point you just have to decide it is stable enough for what you do, and start using it. Otherwise you'll just be running Prime95 on it forever.

@rickyman0319 Forceman has a solution I would also take to since the idea is test until it can't crash no more no matter what, ,noting keenly what bsods you are experiencing to counter accurately.
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^^ I agree since that's the only substantial benefit to haswell ""IMO""(well maybe the igpu for some). Honestly cant wait till some avx2 optimized apps come out and make thing jump 20-40% in performance like we've been promised. And your right they will be coming but on what scale who knows so for now ill stick to non avx2 stressing but its still nice to know its out there when i need it.

Side note, isn't amd using this new instruction set on their chips as well and if so that should push devs a little;)
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stable 4.4ghz

uncore and core (4.4ghz) with 1.28v







I hope this is enough for proof.
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Drop the AIDA,Prime and other synthetics honestly unless those are the apps that you actually run on a daily basis on your PC.

No matter what overclock you have, unless it is extremely over volted for that clock you will get a BSOD sooner or later, no matter if you passed 24hrs prime, if you extended the test you will BSOD maybe in 48 or 72hrs after that test, Apart form that its a huge waste of time, though you can test for like 1-2hrs if you really like. do some real world testing. The annoying thing with my h.264 encoding is it takes 7+ hours at times for it to BSOD.
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Lol ok, thanks for judging what I want with my own PC and what apps I will or will not use. If it happens that some blockbuster AVX2 program comes out, FINE. I'll lower my overclock/settings. Until then, no. Watching me closely? What am I, 5?

 

I can decide what programs I want to use, and I can decide if I want to alter my settings in the future... as you say, ...period!

 

 

Tell you what. If in a year's time or less, there comes out a AVX2 (note the 2 at the end) program that I really want to use and I bsod if I don't change my settings, I'll personally PM you to tell you how right I was that I can change my settings when the situation changes. But oh hoho, you know many like me and you're going to closely watch me and refer people to the post where I failed so badly. I guess I enjoy the attention.

 

See, I welcome criticism but not when it's framed in that way.


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Drop the AIDA,Prime and other synthetics honestly unless those are the apps that you actually run on a daily basis on your PC.

No matter what overclock you have, unless it is extremely over volted for that clock you will get a BSOD sooner or later, no matter if you passed 24hrs prime, if you extended the test you will BSOD maybe in 48 or 72hrs after that test, Apart form that its a huge waste of time, though you can test for like 1-2hrs if you really like. do some real world testing. The annoying thing with my h.264 encoding is it takes 7+ hours at times for it to BSOD.

The reason people use stress tests is because it (should) speed up the detection time. I would rather find an instability after an hour of Prime than 7 hours of x264. There us no magic bullet for testing, but by testing far beyond a "normal" load you can reduce the chances of the system failing under a normal load.
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