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I just changed a few things & this is what I've got so far.

Asus Multucore enhancement : Disabled
Core Ratio: 46 / All Cores
Dram Frequency: 2200 MHz / 1.65v / 10 12 12 31 2t
Cpu Core Voltage:: 1.265
Load - Line Cal: Level 7
Cpu Power Phase Control: Extreme
Cpu Current Capacity: 130%
Cpu Spread Spectrum: Disabled

I ran AIDA64 Extreme 3.20.2600 stress test for 1 hour with no issues.
Max temp 80c on one core , average 76c

My ram is 2400 MHz but this is where I left it for now.thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by wendigo4700 View Post

omg I just tryed the setting called "Medium" which is just 4.2GHz

I went into BIOS on the promoted restart it required. And CPU voltage were 1.33 yes you saw it right. So I quickly loaded optimized defaults. Now I just dont hope that permanently damaged my CPU.

edit: After a little bit more researching, it seems I were on the safe side.
But isnt it crazy? That easy tune says I need 1.33 cpu voltage, just to run 4.2GHz?

No wonder I couldnt get my CPU stable at 4Ghz with 1.18 lol

edit2: Untill I decide what to do, I'm just gonna run default speed. WIth turbo-boost enabled. But not all the cores are synchronized to 3.8Ghz. I think two cores are at 3.6Ghz.
So I set all the cores to 3.8GHz?
this also made me think that I never have tested long period of prime95 with default settings.
Should I disable turbo-boost before I test it?

Gigabyte OC profiles give much more Vcore than necessary. Probably so that even very bad chips can reach certain mhz.
Even if you set 1,4v in Bios you will not damage your CPU. It takes more Vcore and Heat to damage Haswell CPU.
You probably dont get your "OC" stable because your Voltage settings, meaning : Vcore,Vrin, Vring, are wrong.
For 4,0 Ghz something between vcore 1,0 good chip and 1,16 Bad chip should do the trick.
You will have to find out optimal Vrin for 4,0 Ghz, to obtain stability. Something like 1,7-1,78 Vrin.
Lower your uncore to x36 and leave it there until you are stable. Run Ram at 1600 mhz. Set ring voltage to 1,08-1,1.
Too high Vrin, Vring can mess up stability petty bad, same as too low Vrin,Vring. Optimal Vrin, Vring will give stability.
Therefore a lot of testing is sometimes needed.
Edited by Alxx - 9/28/13 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

Sounds like you're not increasing vrin properly (with llc on too)

-I haven't touched the VRIN properly as of yet, but I noticed it scaled dynamically in auto. ASUS Sabertooth will default LLC @ level 8 which is the highest setting. I did experiment with LLC in manual as well but I could be reexamined. I have tried Level 1 Level 4 and Level 8 manually. I am wondering if the VRIN is not stable enough to match the vcore if that makes sense. Man i feel noobish over this new Haswell Architecture and grasping more everyday.l:thumb:

-Right now I am running 4.6ghz for 12 hours no benching and an adaptive voltage of 1.290 which I see the VID increase to 1.317 maximum no stress testing. Just gaming and music creation software.

Thanks you very much for your input
. i will report back because this chip has to do at least 4.6 ghz IMO. I remember the days I got stuck @ 4.4ghz on my I7 2600k and then overtime and wih a z77 Sabertoth was able to push it to 4.7ghz. it was night and day comparison. It just felt like an upgrade pushing the clock more..smile.gif
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Hey guys hows the overclock rolling along...I have some info for anyone interested in running high ram speed on you haswell since they can handle 3000+.

I currently have a the gskill kit 2933 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231683
Which can achieve 3200+ but as you can see very expensive. As I haven't been using them since I was gna sell them.

However I got bored today and was selling some old hardware and came across my Adata 8gb 2600 kit and starting overclocking them hard...well results were awesome actually...

I was able to achieve 2933 on the adata kit with same timings as my gskill at half the price..only difference is the adata kit requires 1.7v for stability which is fine for 24/7 and SA voltage of 0.210+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211776

As you can see these adata kits are very under rated imo and are insane when overclocking.

Anyways wanted to drop this info off for anyone looking at get new ram thumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gif
Edited by Clexzor - 9/28/13 at 10:34am
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-I haven't touched the VRIN properly as of yet, but I noticed it scaled dynamically in auto. ASUS Sabertooth will default LLC @ level 8 which is the highest setting. I did experiment with LLC in manual as well but I could be reexamined. I have tried Level 1 Level 4 and Level 8 manually. I am wondering if the VRIN is not stable enough to match the vcore if that makes sense. Man i feel noobish over this new Haswell Architecture and grasping more everyday.l:thumb:

-Right now I am running 4.6ghz for 12 hours no benching and an adaptive voltage of 1.290 which I see the VID increase to 1.317 maximum no stress testing. Just gaming and music creation software.

Thanks you very much for your input
. i will report back because this chip has to do at least 4.6 ghz IMO. I remember the days I got stuck @ 4.4ghz on my I7 2600k and then overtime and wih a z77 Sabertoth was able to push it to 4.7ghz. it was night and day comparison. It just felt like an upgrade pushing the clock more..smile.gif

The big cliffing seems to come without increasing VRIN, further you are from a good value more vcore it takes to clock AFAIK, which creates the illusion of voltage walls, or alternatively, not being able to lower voltage much and still be stable when dropping clocks at lower ends. I've been using around ~1.2vcore-1.7vrin and ~1.3vcore-1.85vrin as quick guidelines with llc

As long as that and ring voltage is out of the way (people are unstable because of changing uncore while they're still working on core all the time) you should be good in my experience for pushing core as hard as you want to
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The big cliffing seems to come without increasing VRIN, further you are from a good value more vcore it takes to clock AFAIK, which creates the illusion of voltage walls, or alternatively, not being able to lower voltage much and still be stable when dropping clocks at lower ends. I've been using around ~1.2vcore-1.7vrin and ~1.3vcore-1.85vrin as quick guidelines with llc

As long as that and ring voltage is out of the way (people are unstable because of changing uncore while they're still working on core all the time) you should be good in my experience for pushing core as hard as you want to

Hmm, I might see if I have hit my "illusion" wall. I hope I have so I can push further, but I doubt it considering I'm already at 1.95 VRIN with 1.295 Vcore at 4.5Ghz.
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I been stressing for about 2 hours. I had the uncore @3.5ghz and the voltage in auto when I was BSOD with a error 101 not 124. I changed the voltage manually and am testing the CPU cache voltage @ 1.155v. ATM. I tried lower the vrin to 1.7 and I still appeared stable but eventually BSOD around 30 minutes of AIDA and test 2 of 2 on x264 but that was before I increased the cache from 1.120 to 1.155. I am actually stress testing AIDA ATM and my Vrin is at 1.880. I manually changed it to that voltage. I hope that isn't to much but I will start decreasing it if it is.

You are correct about the illusion of trying to push the vcore harder without actually tidying up other voltages and frequencies. I also wonder with a 4.6ghz overclock and an uncore of 3.5 ghz creates a form of gaping in the overclock. That has yet to be proven like the OP stated I suppose, but I am going to try it at 3.8ghz and see if it shores up the overclock. I guess what I mean is there is a spread from my uncore clock to my actual overclock of 1.1ghz. Kinda Going for a crap shoot here on my part by increasing the frequency and voltages on my uncore

There is a strong possibility I might need to remove 2 of my dimm modules for testing if I have any further issues. I have a total of 16gb and 4 dimm slots taken.

Thanks again for your time and hopefully I was able to explain my self well enough with my thoughts and information on the topic. smile.gif + a REP to ya
Edited by trancefreak64 - 9/28/13 at 1:36pm
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I'm already at 1.95 VRIN with 1.295 Vcore at 4.5Ghz.

1.95 is really high though, you're maybe using too much. I'm pretty sure at this point that more is bad and you can go up and up and see better results, until you hit a certain point and they start getting worse again
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I had the uncore @3.5ghz and the voltage in auto when I was BSOD with a error 101 not 124. I changed the voltage manually and am testing the CPU cache voltage @ 1.155v. ATM. I tried lower the vrin to 1.7 and I still appeared stable but eventually BSOD around 30 minutes of AIDA and test 2 of 2 on x264 but that was before I increased the cache from 1.120 to 1.155. I am actually stress testing AIDA ATM and my Vrin is at 1.880

This is just confusing to read, you're changing cache voltage and uncore multiplier and vrin too at the same time, i would sort out vcore+vrin, get stable, then work on uncore >afterwards<. How do you know you're not destabilizing core by changing VRIN drastically? If you're at a high core clock, a 0.2v change in VRIN will completely change the oc, there is no way i could make that kind of change and still be stable on the core.

35x uncore also turbo's to 4ghz (i know, because i'm using it for the idle drop to 800mhz til further notice or i figure out how to drop it otherwise) and is unstable with 1.15 ring for me at my OC. I have to manually specify a little higher, though i faced that after i was set up on vcore, vrin, core multi etc by setting it manually to 34x and 1.15 ring while i was working on those, so i could stabilize quite tightly like change vcore 0.005v at a time. 1.25v, record average time between fail, 1.255, 1.26, 1.265 etc. I think the best way to get an OC anywhere close to final is to just isolate one variable at a time, or as few as possible like vcore, VRIN
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1.95 is really high though, you're maybe using too much. I'm pretty sure at this point that more is bad and you can go up and up and see better results, until you hit a certain point and they start getting worse again

It's just weird because I'm stable at 1.95 with 4.5Ghz. I just can't get 4.6 stable without a huge increase in Vcore.
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