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Memory running XMP speeds?

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Booted up with 1.85 VRIN and 1.25 Vcore! Thanks guys. I haven't messed with OCing since P4 days.... >.< Temps are about 3-5C lower at idle!

EDIT: Going go to work down from this. I just wanted to test this first. I'll find what is boot stable and work from there.
Stable under stress test is miles away from being able to boot. I've spent 2-3 weeks at 4.6, trying to hold onto stability under chess but I couldn't do it.
Although, what did you need to boot under 1.95v Vrin? Is this solid evidence that too high Vrin can cause instability?

 

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It's just weird because I'm stable at 1.95 with 4.5Ghz. I just can't get 4.6 stable without a huge increase in Vcore.
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I needed around 1.29 to boot and be able to run a stress test for less than 5 minutes, and then it would BSOD. I am currently trying out at 1.85 VRIN and 1.265. It's not stable yet, but temps are about 5C lower both at idle and load. I believe I have confirmed that too high VRIN can actually make you unstable, or at least need more Vcore to compensate. I'm about to test out 1.27 because I don't have time to nitpick because I have to be to work in 6 hours to work 16 after just working 16. So, I'm just trying to play in a little larger increments. I think I'll find stability between the two. Who knows, maybe I will be able to push a little further! Although... My OCD will kill me if I can't run 4.75GHz or 5Ghz. If I can't hit that, I might just have to stay at 4.5. XD

EDIT: So far I am running stable at 1.28 with CPU-Z saying 1.277. I'm going to play with the voltages tomorrow since I have three days off. biggrin.gif The lower I can get my voltage the better. I need more room for my 780 Classy's until I can get a better PSU.
Edited by jameyscott - 9/28/13 at 11:14pm
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Is this solid evidence that too high Vrin can cause instability?

Find a core multiplier, like for me for example it was 4.5ghz at 1.22vcore. I narrowed down to being 0.05v off in either direction with VRIN would crash multiple times a day, and a tight, middle value would not (though it's easier to test if you set conservative uncore+ring, like 34x@1.15 and stay low vcore, because vcore and vrin going far above ring is a nightmare for stability at higher uncore multi's)

It's probably easier to test if you pass IBT x10 standard or something with a low multiplier, like if 42x at 1.15vcore is at the edge of stability with 1.6vrin, try it with 1.8 VRIN too (llc turbo or extreme both) Should be pretty easy to reproduce.

I think a lot of people didn't see that because most would just add the extra 0.02vcore or whatever they need to compensate, or not be tuning down to the wire enough to pick it up, or know to poke around raising/lowering with llc etc in the first place. I jumped on it pretty fast because it seemed quite key after a few tests and it helped me a bunch for tuning overclocks
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1.28 with CPU-z saying 1.277 did not pass with 1.85 VRIN didn't pass, but it was stable for almost hours. I'm not sure at what point it failed because I was sleeeping. I'm going to work my VRIN until I get a BSOD that errors for VRIN. I'm still getting the 124 BSOD, but it's stable for a few hours. I figure that I should be able to work my VRIN down a bit and that might help with stability. If not, then my VRIN should not have to go up that much.
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1.28 with CPU-z saying 1.277 did not pass with 1.85 VRIN didn't pass, but it was stable for almost hours. I'm not sure at what point it failed because I was sleeeping. I'm going to work my VRIN until I get a BSOD that errors for VRIN. I'm still getting the 124 BSOD, but it's stable for a few hours. I figure that I should be able to work my VRIN down a bit and that might help with stability. If not, then my VRIN should not have to go up that much.

Up to 2.0v on the Vrin is perfectly fine...after having some discussion with someone at MSi I have found some interesting information some I will pass on some I want...however a lot of folks are afraid of touching to high of vrin which is cuasing lots of issues.

You havto understand that the Vrin/inpout voltage is basically a flood gate for you chip recieing voltage. When you start increasing both vcore and cache voltage you will defiantly need to raise vrin...stock vrin is 1.8 if that doesn't tell you anything idk them...anyways do not be afraid to feed you chip 1.95-2.05 or so voltage for stability you will not cuase damage.... thumb.gif

Some chips require high vrin for less vcore/uncore voltage that's the way it is.. period. On several different forums and clubs I have managed to get folks stable above 4.6 witht hem raising vrin above 2.0 yes I know totally scary but its what is need and will NOT harm your chip max on air for vrin is 2.1v smile.gif
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Went out and bought a bunch of 4770K - Knowing I could return the ones I did not want for a full refund (If done so within 14 days).

Got a mountain of crap ones before I struck gold with a batch 310B487.

4.8Ghz @ 1.25Vcore, wprime 32M and 1024M stable - Temperature never exceeded 70C.

Testing on a Thermalright HR-02 Macho (Stock fan) - CPU will be running direct die cooling under custom water for a month before moving over to Phase Change System.

Will of course run it through a 3-6 hour stress and post back with results.

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Up to 2.0v on the Vrin is perfectly fine...after having some discussion with someone at MSi I have found some interesting information some I will pass on some I want...however a lot of folks are afraid of touching to high of vrin which is cuasing lots of issues.

You havto understand that the Vrin/inpout voltage is basically a flood gate for you chip recieing voltage. When you start increasing both vcore and cache voltage you will defiantly need to raise vrin...stock vrin is 1.8 if that doesn't tell you anything idk them...anyways do not be afraid to feed you chip 1.95-2.05 or so voltage for stability you will not cuase damage.... thumb.gif

Some chips require high vrin for less vcore/uncore voltage that's the way it is.. period. On several different forums and clubs I have managed to get folks stable above 4.6 witht hem raising vrin above 2.0 yes I know totally scary but its what is need and will NOT harm your chip max on air for vrin is 2.1v smile.gif

When I lowered my VRIN from 1.95 to 1.85 I was able to lower my Vcore by almost a full .1 volts.

So far I've found that with Haswell it is not throw moar volts!, it's all about fine tuning.
Edited by jameyscott - 9/29/13 at 5:51am
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So far I've found that with Haswell it is not throw moar volts!, it's all about fine tuning.
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Up to 2.0v on the Vrin is perfectly fine...after having some discussion with someone at MSi I have found some interesting information some I will pass on some I want...however a lot of folks are afraid of touching to high of vrin which is cuasing lots of issues.

You havto understand that the Vrin/inpout voltage is basically a flood gate for you chip recieing voltage. When you start increasing both vcore and cache voltage you will defiantly need to raise vrin...stock vrin is 1.8 if that doesn't tell you anything idk them...anyways do not be afraid to feed you chip 1.95-2.05 or so voltage for stability you will not cuase damage.... thumb.gif

Some chips require high vrin for less vcore/uncore voltage that's the way it is.. period. On several different forums and clubs I have managed to get folks stable above 4.6 witht hem raising vrin above 2.0 yes I know totally scary but its what is need and will NOT harm your chip max on air for vrin is 2.1v smile.gif

It's not about safety concerns but the idea that too high vrin when not needed causes the CPU to need more vcore. Would like more testing done.

 

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Went out and bought a bunch of 4770K - Knowing I could return the ones I did not want for a full refund (If done so within 14 days).

Got a mountain of crap ones before I struck gold with a batch 310B487.

4.8Ghz @ 1.25Vcore, wprime 32M and 1024M stable - Temperature never exceeded 70C.
 

HOLY CRAP, I wish I could do that.

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