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How do you know its a bad chip?
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Ah so Cpus are tough in comparison to boards?

I wonder what it was that made the board go bang lol

Cpus can be pretty tough, I've had a few boards die & only 1 took the cpu with it, & that one was my fault for powering up a board with a puddle on it.
The bang is usually a capacitor blowing, mosfets tend to be more of a quiet flash & smoke. The big caps in PSUs, when they go off it's like a gunshot in the room
    
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With a puddle of ?

I had a quick look before I sent the board back and I couldnt see a blown capacitor but who knows.

They did a quick bench of the board to see if it powered on and it did, so should i leave it at that and just stop worrying?
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How do you know its a bad chip?
Best guess.

It reboots whenever the CPU is stressed (stock settings). I rmaed the board and the CPU to be on the safe side. Previous board and CPU work fine, so its def 1 of those 2.
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Ah ok, everytime I have stressed a chip they usually just throttle never reboot
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Yeah, I was mega sad face. frown.gif

The reboot was instant w/ no BSOD. The moment I hit start on AIDA64's stability test, bam, black screen and windows did not shutdown/startup properly. I've never seen a reboot that fast w/ such a small load on it so that's why I'm thinking its CPU.
Edited by Jodiuh - 9/29/13 at 7:09pm
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With a puddle of ?

I had a quick look before I sent the board back and I couldnt see a blown capacitor but who knows.

They did a quick bench of the board to see if it powered on and it did, so should i leave it at that and just stop worrying?

A puddle of water, I was running phase cooled & shut down the rig while getting ready to go to work. Then remembered I needed to send a quick email & powered up the wrong rig after it had thawed out.
The 3770k was dead, the board still sort of worked, but couldn't run a different 3770k at stock anymore, max speed was 1600mhz no matter what was set.

Other parts may make some noise when they go, a bang just makes me think of the caps.
    
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Step one:
Everybody arguing about Vrin staup . <- That is a large period. But seriously, let's not argue, don't forget we are here to discuss, discussing gets us further.

 

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You are the only random here claiming its safe, the chip is one the scene 3months and now you think you know it all yeah sure..


No wonder a lot say this forum is bs, now i see why.

Uh, who is saying OCN is bs? Personally have not heard of that.

For my Vccin opinions read below a bit...

 

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I joined these forums for helpful people who are actually trying to guide others. Not for people like you are just elitist and apparently know everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeuJAOVRoA0

I didn't know you knew more about tech than Linus Sebastian. Maybe you should start a youtube channel

EDIT: This to. Yes, there is a difference, but it also doesn't state that they all used the same chip. It also are minimal differences.

I also realize that over 2.0 VRIN will not kill a chip. Although, it might lower the TOS of the chip. Trade offs for OCing.

 

I'm under the impression that YES, motherboards will not have a large impact in overclocking. Maybe 100mhz at most. But 100mhz is a lot in terms of how much trouble it is to push an extra 100mhz on top of your own max overclock, yet 100mhz is little compared to actual performance gains. It depends on how you look at it. My speculation is, maybe a better motherboard with better components will not only last longer itself but also all the power is delivered nicely to the CPU.

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I haven't seen anything about 2.0V VRIN killing chips either, For daily stuff I'm usually a bit under anyway, but have pushed it upwards of 2.4V on water when testing without any issues. VRIN that high didn't really help unless I was at 1.9V vcore on ln2.

When I first got the chip & was reading around, keeping VRIN at 2.3v or less was recommended for air & water & 2.8V max for extreme cooling. Looks like the ES chips were fine with more VRIN than the retail, but still haven't heard about VRIN under 2.5V being the cause of degradation or death.

 

I agree with Ftw 420. I don't feel 2.0 Vccin is over the top dangerous. Reading previous posts it's like running 2 vccin is like running 1.6 Vcore or something. If people want to use the argument that yes, 2.0 vccin might be dangerous over LONG term but we don't know it, you can't be so sure of your own convictions because like you said, it's only been 3 months. How do you know 2.0 will nessesarily kill chips? I myself have heard of no verifiable reports of 2.0 killing a chip. 

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There is a marginal difference between both.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/446/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-4670K.html


Why do you have both if you aren't going to use both?

The 4670k is better in gaming. The 8350 is better in applications that use all cores. Chess uses all cores and has a 20% speed advantage compared to 4670k, and that is a large difference. Hyperthreading doesn't work well with chess so unless one wants to go hexacore, 8350 is the best game in town. BUt for something like say, GPU rendering, you're using gpu for the most part.

 

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Ah so Cpus are tough in comparison to boards?

I wonder what it was that made the board go bang lol

CPUs in general are tough components. You'd have to do pretty dumb things to kill it as a general rule.

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Ah hey there dark:)

So for my gaming, and rendering which between the two of the amd and the intel would you suggest?
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Ah hey there dark:)

So for my gaming, and rendering which between the two of the amd and the intel would you suggest?

 

I recommend 4670k especially if you can use GPU accelerated rendering.

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