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Awesome , it will be with my 770 gtx 2gb.

I just hope it doesnt go bang like my last mainboard, installing it into my new lian li pc-a71f case tonight
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Uh, who is saying OCN is bs? Personally have not heard of that.
For my Vccin opinions read below a bit...


I'm under the impression that YES, motherboards will not have a large impact in overclocking. Maybe 100mhz at most. But 100mhz is a lot in terms of how much trouble it is to push an extra 100mhz on top of your own max overclock, yet 100mhz is little compared to actual performance gains. It depends on how you look at it. My speculation is, maybe a better motherboard with better components will not only last longer itself but also all the power is delivered nicely to the CPU.

I agree with Ftw 420. I don't feel 2.0 Vccin is over the top dangerous. Reading previous posts it's like running 2 vccin is like running 1.6 Vcore or something. If people want to use the argument that yes, 2.0 vccin might be dangerous over LONG term but we don't know it, you can't be so sure of your own convictions because like you said, it's only been 3 months. How do you know 2.0 will nessesarily kill chips? I myself have heard of no verifiable reports of 2.0 killing a chip. 
The 4670k is better in gaming. The 8350 is better in applications that use all cores. Chess uses all cores and has a 20% speed advantage compared to 4670k, and that is a large difference. Hyperthreading doesn't work well with chess so unless one wants to go hexacore, 8350 is the best game in town. BUt for something like say, GPU rendering, you're using gpu for the most part.

CPUs in general are tough components. You'd have to do pretty dumb things to kill it as a general rule.

You have a point about the durability of the motherboard. It might last longer and send power in a fashion that is better than lower end boards, but for actual overclocking the differences are minor in my eyes. I just can't justify spending 100-200 more on a better motherboard because I might be able to squeeze another 100Mhz out of it.

I agree about 2.0 VRIN. I don't think it is going to kill chips. However, I have already said that it might possibly cause degradation over time. That's what the intel tuning plan is for though. wink.gif

EDIT: 1.85 VRIN and 1.26 would instant BSOD when starting prime. 1.75 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore would last about 5 minutes before BSOD. 1.7 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore lasted about a minute.

So glad I have time to mess with this.

From my understanding BSOD 124 is vcore related? If so, then 1.7 might be plausible because I still receieved a BSOD 125 when testing it. I have the next 3 days off and not much to do. smile.gif

EDIT 2: 1.65 VRIN boots up with 1.26 Vcore, however trying to open up a program causes BSOD.
Edited by jameyscott - 9/29/13 at 10:54pm
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I was stating my belief in behaviors of VRIN, and everything that has been said against those beliefs has reinforced what i was thinking or telling people in the first place, i have no incentive to make stuff up and rant about it everywhere wink.gif
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Hmm not sure why you guys need more vcore voltage when upping the input...that's going against the grains completetly if that's the case than I would look into what was actually stable to begain with...because from talking with certain folks and actual tesing shows increasing input voltage should and does increase stability and should help you lower your vcore by a notch or if your getting .1v difference that's very wrong lol and something else is cuasing an issue for you.

Example:

2.1 input voltage allows me to do 5ghz at 1.49v on xtu for 8 hours...
2.0 input voltage requires me to do 5ghz at 1.51v for 8 hours..
same with 4.9 and down.

thumb.gif


OH AND SMEXY CHIP ALXX thumb.gif

and no they do not repackage them at the stoire lol and sell them to other customers...they get sent back to intel and either destroyed/recycled.

^Like i said a few pages back, 1.5vcore. Need lots of VRIN. If you're running that high, i might even suggest poking towards 2.2 to see how much it might help you lower vcore

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For example like 80 pages back lol

User Jellzroc:

I was able to get to a stable 44 on 1.37 volts but I brought it down to 43 with 1.3 just for chip longevity and turned on adaptive mode with a 1.3 turbo.

I've heard that since the vrms are on the CPU buying a higher end board would do very little in terms of oc ability. I currently use the z87-k which is pretty much the cheapest asus mobo out there.

I'm pretty sure I lost the silicon lottery but would getting a higher end mobo give me more oc ability? I've heard rumors that some of the budget boards were somehow nerfed by intel to weaken their oc ability. This could be just be. What do u veterans think?

Me:

Did you increase input voltage vrin/vccin 1.9-2.0v try those values and report back try the following...

44x 1.35v

uncore 41x 1.21v

input voltage vrin/vccin 1.95v

good luck

JellzRoc:

Wow made a huge difference. Thanks!!!! 44 on 1.36 but seems much more stable

He's using 1.35v, i'd expect him to be using VRIN in the leagues of 1.9. That doesn't mean it's appropriate to use 1.9 for 1.2vcore (:

I have given the best advice i could recently based on my understanding of volts from playing with quite a few chips (mostly helping people oc, telling them what to try) and forum discussion on a few sites, so if you have detailed evidence against anything that i am saying, please let me know so that i can read it and change my understandings if it is valid, but these two examples you gave are both people i would have been telling since launch week to be running higher VRIN's, especially the first one! My friend is delidded on a h110 with four 140mm fans in an ac'd room, and running similarly insane settings which i contributed to thumb.gif

gl!


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EDIT: 1.85 VRIN and 1.26 would instant BSOD when starting prime. 1.75 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore would last about 5 minutes before BSOD. 1.7 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore lasted about a minute.

So glad I have time to mess with this.

From my understanding BSOD 124 is vcore related? If so, then 1.7 might be plausible because I still receieved a BSOD 125 when testing it. I have the next 3 days off and not much to do. smile.gif

EDIT 2: 1.65 VRIN boots up with 1.26 Vcore, however trying to open up a program causes BSOD.

In this case with VRIN LLC i'd be experimenting around 1.75-1.825 for optimal value on my chip, i believe. 1.7vrin maybe around 1.2vcore
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You have a point about the durability of the motherboard. It might last longer and send power in a fashion that is better than lower end boards, but for actual overclocking the differences are minor in my eyes. I just can't justify spending 100-200 more on a better motherboard because I might be able to squeeze another 100Mhz out of it.

I agree about 2.0 VRIN. I don't think it is going to kill chips. However, I have already said that it might possibly cause degradation over time. That's what the intel tuning plan is for though. wink.gif

EDIT: 1.85 VRIN and 1.26 would instant BSOD when starting prime. 1.75 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore would last about 5 minutes before BSOD. 1.7 VRIN and 1.26 Vcore lasted about a minute.

So glad I have time to mess with this.

From my understanding BSOD 124 is vcore related? If so, then 1.7 might be plausible because I still receieved a BSOD 125 when testing it. I have the next 3 days off and not much to do. smile.gif

EDIT 2: 1.65 VRIN boots up with 1.26 Vcore, however trying to open up a program causes BSOD.

 

To some people spending an extra $100 for 100mhz is definately worthwhile. It's up to the buyer. And you know, buying a motherboard due to brand and status and reputation as a ' good board '.

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To some people spending an extra $100 for 100mhz is definately worthwhile. It's up to the buyer. And you know, buying a motherboard due to brand and status and reputation as a ' good board '.

That's why I said to me it isn't worth it. Although... If my spending trend continues, I might be getting the ASUS VI Extreme because 3 780 Classys sounds wonderful if I decide to run 3240x1920 full time. Bezels just kill me though.q
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I've got all my W/C gear arriving this week. I've gone back to W/C primarily due to GPU temps but the loop will include the CPU thanks to a nice big 3x180 rad. Has anyone noticed much difference in O/C ability going from an efficient air set up to water? (also delidded). Just wondering if i'll be able to drop vcore slightly for a given multi or help increase max clock speeds.
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I was stating my belief in behaviors of VRIN, and everything that has been said against those beliefs has reinforced what i was thinking or telling people in the first place, i have no incentive to make stuff up and rant about it everywhere wink.gif
^Like i said a few pages back, 1.5vcore. Need lots of VRIN. If you're running that high, i might even suggest poking towards 2.2 to see how much it might help you lower vcore
He's using 1.35v, i'd expect him to be using VRIN in the leagues of 1.9. That doesn't mean it's appropriate to use 1.9 for 1.2vcore (:

I have given the best advice i could recently based on my understanding of volts from playing with quite a few chips (mostly helping people oc, telling them what to try) and forum discussion on a few sites, so if you have detailed evidence against anything that i am saying, please let me know so that i can read it and change my understandings if it is valid, but these two examples you gave are both people i would have been telling since launch week to be running higher VRIN's, especially the first one! My friend is delidded on a h110 with four 140mm fans in an ac'd room, and running similarly insane settings which i contributed to thumb.gif

gl!
In this case with VRIN LLC i'd be experimenting around 1.75-1.825 for optimal value on my chip, i believe. 1.7vrin maybe around 1.2vcore


Well, why don't you come over and experiment with my chip? wink.gif I really want 5Ghz. Partiallly for bragging rights, and partially because my OCD kills me.

Also, LLC at 100% is compensating too much. It pushes me .08 over. I'm going to try 62.5% and 80% to see if it gives me truer values. These readings are from the BIOS, and not software.

EDIT: Nevermind. It was compensating .14 volts when I booted back into the BIOS. o.O
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Can do if you wanna add me on skype! On ud3h it doesn't seem to be that much. Small bit over in software, and that friend dmm'd vcore/vrin etc and told me they were within 0.02v of reported by hwinfo on the same board so i'm not too worried about that
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Can do if you wanna add me on skype! On ud3h it doesn't seem to be that much. Small bit over in software, and that friend dmm'd vcore/vrin etc and told me they were within 0.02v of reported by hwinfo on the same board so i'm not too worried about that

 

Can a call to Cyro get me to 4.6 stable? 

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Can do if you wanna add me on skype! On ud3h it doesn't seem to be that much. Small bit over in software, and that friend dmm'd vcore/vrin etc and told me they were within 0.02v of reported by hwinfo on the same board so i'm not too worried about that

Found ya. wink.gif
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