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Thats one thing I love about the ROG connect... smile.gif Makes on the fly adjustments easy from a laptop

I am working on 4.6-7 myself.. kinda voltages u running?
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Thats one thing I love about the ROG connect... smile.gif Makes on the fly adjustments easy from a laptop

I am working on 4.6-7 myself.. kinda voltages u running?

I can run 4.6 with 1.230v, prime95 stable with a x43 multi, I know my chip has more but my motherboard is known to be a bit finnicky with manual settings, after failing 4.8 stability I up the vccin and vcore, but no joy.Was running 4.8 fine for 3 days, games, cinebench, chess etc.I am going to stick with 4.6 for now, and maybe get the ASUS Impact later down the line, I will still try and tweak but need to enjoy my purchase more, atthe moment I have just been searching for more mhz.
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I don't have any right now, i actually mostly ran my own x264 stuff etc for stressing (some random encodes, i've got a button to re-encode a blu-ray @ placebo preset which locks CPU at higher load than other stuff and lasts god knows how long) but somewhere just a touch above 20 for 4.5-4.6ghz

I was @4.6 ht on stable, but since hyperthreading aparantly causes engine stalls in sc2 (was ripping my hair out for a month) i'll probably take 4.7 ht off a lot of the time, but that'll kill encoding numbers
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124 crash after second run of stockfish...

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Crap. How do I loop x264?


Edited by Darkwizzie - 10/6/13 at 4:31pm
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I can run 4.6 with 1.230v, prime95 stable with a x43 multi, I know my chip has more but my motherboard is known to be a bit finnicky with manual settings, after failing 4.8 stability I up the vccin and vcore, but no joy.Was running 4.8 fine for 3 days, games, cinebench, chess etc.I am going to stick with 4.6 for now, and maybe get the ASUS Impact later down the line, I will still try and tweak but need to enjoy my purchase more, atthe moment I have just been searching for more mhz.

In your version of Prime95, does it list your cpu in the top window, or does it say Unkown Intel CPU?

I ask this because on my 4770K, Prime95 doesn't support it. I spoke with ASUS, Intel and others and they are highly against running this cpu in Prime due to it not being updated to support it. It essentially only runs one, maybe two sets of instructions in the cpu and you can risk damaging if not complete degradation until they get it updated and its fully supported. It has been a few weeks since I last checked, it may be updated by now. However, I don't run it anymore like i used to, because it's completely synthetic and isn't anything near real world apps. PCMark, CineBench, x264 now since I am aware of it, Perhaps the RealBench on the ROG forums is another mult-threading application that is very good on giving scores; It does compression, mult-tasking and one more big test, and has Stressing inside of it too; Then there is a page on the forum, where you can go and view scores based against your type of CPU. Right now mine is like 30th/100 with a score of like 712. Very good piece of software.

Just go here:
http://rog.asus.com/241042013/overclocking/rog-realbench-free-app-download-now/

Be aware, once test begins, you can't move your mouse or it will stop the program. I suppose it's a feature to prevent you from opening anything up... They recommend to stop everything running as you normally would for benching.... or booting up in Diagnostic mode, so nothing but bare bone essentials are running. It's actually pretty cool; the pics of Asus Products are extremely high quality and are nice to look at while it's running. Test takes anywhere from 5-10 min, if you have a higher end CPU. Expect much much longer if not, or if not multi-threaded, can expect a 10-15 minute window.

Matthew
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Don't think you can loop the bench, but then again it's not the best absolute final indicator of stability, i don't think that anything reasonable is. If you can pass the four runs then run it again, you're mostly down to running other stuff and your 24/7 things and making small adjustments i think. I've done longer, but using my own encoder interface and video file etc
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In your version of Prime95, does it list your cpu in the top window, or does it say Unkown Intel CPU?

I ask this because on my 4770K, Prime95 doesn't support it. I spoke with ASUS, Intel and others and they are highly against running this cpu in Prime due to it not being updated to support it. It essentially only runs one, maybe two sets of instructions in the cpu and you can risk damaging if not complete degradation until they get it updated and its fully supported. It has been a few weeks since I last checked, it may be updated by now. However, I don't run it anymore like i used to, because it's completely synthetic and isn't anything near real world apps. PCMark, CineBench, x264 now since I am aware of it, Perhaps the RealBench on the ROG forums is another mult-threading application that is very good on giving scores; It does compression, mult-tasking and one more big test, and has Stressing inside of it too; Then there is a page on the forum, where you can go and view scores based against your type of CPU. Right now mine is like 30th/100 with a score of like 712. Very good piece of software.

Just go here:
http://rog.asus.com/241042013/overclocking/rog-realbench-free-app-download-now/

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Matthew

 

Yea well, I don't trust them. Intel's guidelines have always been pretty... conservative, to say the least. Asus still recommends 1:1 cache ratio. Prime 95 is math. Your cpu can't do math? It's not capable of finding prime numbers?

 

Anyways, my experience is x264 is a worthy nonsynthetic test...

 

I turned SA/Io to +0.05 instead of +0.135, Bsod, dunno how long Stockfish ran because I left the house. I was back in less than 5 hours though.


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You're correct about x264; But why would anyone run a Prime95, on a single set of instructions and crank it up? The unsupported section from what I understood was the hyperthreading part; It can damage the CPU; Yes of course it can do math; But obviously how it does it is where the issue lies... You can damage components internally if it's not getting the proper instructions and how to execute said instructions. When you have JJ from Asus saying it, Intel Engineers and about 20 other various people....it's a little more than Intel being conservative. Its contingent but I won't run it now. Especially after stock settings crash my system so many times its not funny. then I after I searched into the reasons why, that was it. Even an E mail coming from Prime95 support will tell you its currently unsupported and you risk damage to your unit.. *6 weeks ago last e mail* So they may have it fixed by now. At any rate, till Haswell Mult threaded CPUs are legitamitely supported I wont use it.

But the x264 is pretty neat. I like what it is and how it runs. This was well developed.


Thanks,

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You're correct about x264; But why would anyone run a Prime95, on a single set of instructions and crank it up? The unsupported section from what I understood was the hyperthreading part; It can damage the CPU; Yes of course it can do math; But obviously how it does it is where the issue lies... You can damage components internally if it's not getting the proper instructions and how to execute said instructions. When you have JJ from Asus saying it, Intel Engineers and about 20 other various people....it's a little more than Intel being conservative. Its contingent but I won't run it now. Especially after stock settings crash my system so many times its not funny. then I after I searched into the reasons why, that was it. Even an E mail coming from Prime95 support will tell you its currently unsupported and you risk damage to your unit.. *6 weeks ago last e mail* So they may have it fixed by now. At any rate, till Haswell Mult threaded CPUs are legitamitely supported I wont use it.

But the x264 is pretty neat. I like what it is and how it runs. This was well developed.


Thanks,

Matthew

 

Yeah, I wish x264 has a loop function and better tracking. This looks like it was solely developed as a benchmark, not as a stress test so it lacks common features for a stress test.

 

Well, if anybody has a report of their 4770k being damaged from Prime, I'll be sure to note it . Until then there's no evidence.

There is a buttload of hysteria from different people about how Prime will kill CPUs and each time the reason is either not stated ("not certified" by itself doesn't mean anything), or have completely different reasons each time. Tek said reason why Prime is bad is because it causes CPU to draw more Vcore than you set. That's so... :doh: 

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Prime 95 is math. Your cpu can't do math? It's not capable of finding prime numbers?

There isn't any need for snappy comments like this. There are no room for this on this forum. Say what you have to say if it's relative, if not, please keep those comments to yourself. I said what I did because it's a fact, not iffy made up garbage. You want to chance your CPU, it's yours, go for it. Same with anyone else, but I say what I do because it's legit and nothing more nor less. I'm not a n00b and I've been working in and around this industry for a long time. No need to shoot down another person's view. I respect what you say, and I expect the same in return.

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There isn't any need for snappy comments like this. There are no room for this on this forum. Say what you have to say if it's relative, if not, please keep those comments to yourself. I said what I did because it's a fact, not iffy made up garbage. You want to chance your CPU, it's yours, go for it. Same with anyone else, but I say what I do because it's legit and nothing more nor less. I'm not a n00b and I've been working in and around this industry for a long time. No need to shoot down another person's view. I respect what you say, and I expect the same in return.

Matthew

It doesn't matter if you're a n00b or not, Haswell is new to everybody. What I said I do not find insulting.

 

I asked if your CPU can do math and find prime numbers. That was it. You can call it whatever you like.

 

If you're saying it's hyperthreading that will endanger the CPU, where did you get this info from? I did a real quick google search, couldn't find anything on Prime and hyperthreading on Haswell. JJ from Asus didn't say anything about it either. If it's only hyperthreading that's the issue then 4670k shouldn't have issues, right? Although removing hyperthreading won't really be a full test on a 4770k.

 

You can damage your components doing many things, like overclocking it. Putting too high voltage, too high temps, etc. The question is how much of a chance are we talking about here: Hysteria or completely justified fear or somewhere in between?

 

How many 4770ks have been reported to be harmed from Prime? Don't forget, nobody builds a machine to run Prime 24/7. For there to be damage the damage needs to be pretty quick or the overclock stressing period would be long gone.

 

Many people say many things. Intel has said many things, like Vcore shouldn't exceed an extra 10%. JJ has said many things. Like 1:1 cache ratio. Nobody is infalliable. That's why I like reports of CPU death, or more concrete evidence. You may or may not be right, you may or may not be credible. But surely you understand from my perspective and everybody else's perspective you're just a person that claimed something.


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