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Get a core clock that works, then work from there. While you're doing that, set uncore at 34x and ring at 1.15 or 1.2v, and if you want a value that will probably work ok for vrin, shoot for like 1.7v by 1.2vcore, 1.85 by 1.3 etc or a bit above that

Most people wouldn't reccomend prime (either version, old one's still pretty bad) i think for haswell
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I've run into a problem while overclocking my 4770k. I'm trying 4.5GHz at everything from 1.22 to 1.275v, and the stability doesn't change at all. It passes IBT at about 1.23v, and I can run prime95 blend for 15+ min (sometimes it bluescreens after 15min, sometimes after 3h) at 1.24v, and I've tried everything I can think of. Uncore is at 4.1GHz and I've tried everything from 1.20 to 1.275 for the testing.

While my temps aren't great when the prime95 blend-test is running small FFTs (around 90c, even though I have a custom water loop. I'm going to delid soon, but I doubt it's going to help the stability), I've seen it crash on the large-FFTs phase as well when it's around 65-70c.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the memory, but I've tried running the memory at both 1866MHz (it's rated for 1866MHz) and 1600MHz at 1.5v (rated voltage), 1.55v and auto. I've also tried VCCINs from 1.7 to 1.85v.

CPU LLC is level 8 (100%) and C-states are disabled.

What's your Vring at? Try locking the uncore at 36x instead of 41x - that could be holding you back.
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Get a core clock that works, then work from there. While you're doing that, set uncore at 34x and ring at 1.15 or 1.2v, and if you want a value that will probably work ok for vrin, shoot for like 1.7v by 1.2vcore, 1.85 by 1.3 etc or a bit above that

Most people wouldn't reccomend prime (either version, old one's still pretty bad) i think for haswell

Prime95 is the only application that has made it BSOD though, it's stable in everything else (not a single BSOD outside of Prime95). I did work my way up, but I didn't try the earlier clocks for extremely long. After 1-2h stable I stepped it up. I've also tried at 4.6GHz at anything from 1.26 to 1.3, and it's just as stable at 1.265 as 1.3.

I haven't changed my VTTDDR though, it's still running at auto. Any ideas of what I should put it at?

I'm not really sure what the error code from the BSOD is, as BlueScreenView hasn't logged any of the recent crashes for some reason. I'll try to read it the next time it happens, but might be hard since it's gone in like 3 seconds.
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Drop uncore down to x34@1.15v
Drop RAM down to 1333mhz or 1600mhz at rated v.

You can sort them out once the core is stable.

My preferred method has been to use last stable setting, increase vcore by .005v then bump VCCIN from last stable up to around 2.1v. If not stable i put VCCIN back down, bump vcore another .005v then try again. I'm now at 5.0Ghz@1.376v (1.35v BIOS) with 2.125v VCCIN (just under 2.2v actual). I stress using the following in order:

Cinebench - 11.5 (if you fail this then you're O/C is miles off)
x264 benchmark - (4 runs with 2 passes on each run and a % counter to see how far you're getting on each run. Works as a very good indicator of how close you are getting to being stable. i.e, say you fail the 1st run, 2nd pass at 10%, bump vccin or core (what ever stage you're at with them) then run again. If you hit say 30% then you know you're moving in the right direction. Passing this means you've done the ground work and it's tweaking from here on.
XTU Bench - You might pass x264 ut fail XTU bench. More than likely you won't crash but may drop cores. (put active core count on the graph). Again, bump vccin or core depending on which one you are moving next. For me i found vccin increase helped.
XTU stress - run for 9hrs (usually fails after 1hr and 8hr). If it fails you just need a slight increase on either vccin or core.

*note - this will not get you P95 stable. You'll need to increase voltage to do so. I've not had a crash running anything after xtu stable for 9hrs. (gaming/surfing/audio encoding).

This is the way i do it now and have found it to work best, for me. Others may disagree or have their own way, just sharing my findings. Whatever way you decide to do it, the main point to take in is keep uncore and ram dropped till core is stable or you'll end up with no clue as to what's going on. thumb.gif
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Have you tried bumping up vccin? I'm now 2.125v vccin for 5.0ghz stable (1.35vcore). 4.9ghz only required 1.9v vccin (1.29vcore).

Have you tried playing about with offset on the core/ring instead of full set values?

On a side note, x264 isn't 100% rock solid for me. I can put uncore up to x48 (didn't go any further) and pass x264 all day long. When i ran xtu stress it failed quite rapidly all the way down to x45. (124's). I'll probably have a play about with vcore to see if i can bump it up again once this x45 stress has finished.

Tried up to 2.05 now (not super high)

I can make my 4.7 work on 1.8 all the way up to 2.05 np, shouldn't have to add 0.25vrin for 100mhz to do anything

tried vcore voltage response to fast and that other setting: default was 325mhz, i tried at 200 i think. Didn't try in the other direction, oops


I'm just failing in 30 or 40 seconds with load, cinebench or x264. Actually i failed like a dozen times and i don't think any of them were faster than 20 seconds or longer than 40. Seems quite funny next to being rock solid 100mhz down.

I'll double check soon that uncore/ring is fine. Anything else i should hit? I gave it +0.2+0.2+0.2 and still failed, though on different settings. I'l manual a bit higher ring voltage, locked 34x and +0.2+0.2+0.2 when i go back to 48x
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On my Asus Hero it's under CPU Power Management > CPU Integrated VR Power Management Efficiency. Options are: Auto, High Performance, Balanced.


Thanks, I changed that on my board to high performance and also changed the frequency tuning mode offset to 6%. Now I just have to run and see if this brings some more stability for me.

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Should i update my BIOS when everything runs fine and stable @ 4,6 GHz and i know that the update doesnt bring New features at all (overclocking also not) just some bug fixes....and i dont have any bugs so should i update or not?

Edit: i flashed the update but its almost everything Like it was before,but there is one Bad Bad point the CPU has drops of up to 20 MHz ......0.0......so i flashed the old and everthing is fine..so should i leave the old or flash the New and live With 20mhz drops??
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Prime95 is the only application that has made it BSOD though, it's stable in everything else (not a single BSOD outside of Prime95). I did work my way up, but I didn't try the earlier clocks for extremely long. After 1-2h stable I stepped it up. I've also tried at 4.6GHz at anything from 1.26 to 1.3, and it's just as stable at 1.265 as 1.3.

I haven't changed my VTTDDR though, it's still running at auto. Any ideas of what I should put it at?

I'm not really sure what the error code from the BSOD is, as BlueScreenView hasn't logged any of the recent crashes for some reason. I'll try to read it the next time it happens, but might be hard since it's gone in like 3 seconds.

You can make the Bsod stay. I don't remember how but a quick Google search will fix the issue for you.

What's VTTDDR?

You didn't mention input voltage and I assume ring bus is at stock.

 

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Tried up to 2.05 now (not super high)

I can make my 4.7 work on 1.8 all the way up to 2.05 np, shouldn't have to add 0.25vrin for 100mhz to do anything

tried vcore voltage response to fast and that other setting: default was 325mhz, i tried at 200 i think. Didn't try in the other direction, oops


I'm just failing in 30 or 40 seconds with load, cinebench or x264. Actually i failed like a dozen times and i don't think any of them were faster than 20 seconds or longer than 40. Seems quite funny next to being rock solid 100mhz down.

I'll double check soon that uncore/ring is fine. Anything else i should hit? I gave it +0.2+0.2+0.2 and still failed, though on different settings. I'l manual a bit higher ring voltage, locked 34x and +0.2+0.2+0.2 when i go back to 48x

I could make it work at 1.8 I'll just crash easier, lol. Go test it, can't assume all these things, like Vccin won't do anything without any hard data to back it up.

 

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Drop uncore down to x34@1.15v
Drop RAM down to 1333mhz or 1600mhz at rated v.

You can sort them out once the core is stable.

My preferred method has been to use last stable setting, increase vcore by .005v then bump VCCIN from last stable up to around 2.1v. If not stable i put VCCIN back down, bump vcore another .005v then try again. I'm now at 5.0Ghz@1.376v (1.35v BIOS) with 2.125v VCCIN (just under 2.2v actual). I stress using the following in order:

Cinebench - 11.5 (if you fail this then you're O/C is miles off)
x264 benchmark - (4 runs with 2 passes on each run and a % counter to see how far you're getting on each run. Works as a very good indicator of how close you are getting to being stable. i.e, say you fail the 1st run, 2nd pass at 10%, bump vccin or core (what ever stage you're at with them) then run again. If you hit say 30% then you know you're moving in the right direction. Passing this means you've done the ground work and it's tweaking from here on.
XTU Bench - You might pass x264 ut fail XTU bench. More than likely you won't crash but may drop cores. (put active core count on the graph). Again, bump vccin or core depending on which one you are moving next. For me i found vccin increase helped.
XTU stress - run for 9hrs (usually fails after 1hr and 8hr). If it fails you just need a slight increase on either vccin or core.

*note - this will not get you P95 stable. You'll need to increase voltage to do so. I've not had a crash running anything after xtu stable for 9hrs. (gaming/surfing/audio encoding).

This is the way i do it now and have found it to work best, for me. Others may disagree or have their own way, just sharing my findings. Whatever way you decide to do it, the main point to take in is keep uncore and ram dropped till core is stable or you'll end up with no clue as to what's going on. thumb.gif

 

What Doug said. Just go test how long it takes to crash on average at a setting.

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Should i update my BIOS when everything runs fine and stable @ 4,6 GHz and i know that the update doesnt bring New features at all (overclocking also not) just some bug fixes....and i dont have any bugs so should i update or not?

Edit: i flashed the update but its almost everything Like it was before,but there is one Bad Bad point the CPU has drops of up to 20 MHz ......0.0......so i flashed the old and everthing is fine..so should i leave the old or flash the New and live With 20mhz drops??

You never answered my question.

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I could make it work at 1.8 I'll just crash easier, lol. Go test it, can't assume all these things

I did, up to ~2.07

If i'm hard crashing consistently in 30 seconds at 2.1 i doubt it'd magically fix itself
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I did, up to ~2.07

If i'm hard crashing consistently in 30 seconds at 2.1 i doubt it'd magically fix itself

So you're crashing after 30 seconds @ 1.8, 1.9, 2.0v?

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Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
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Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
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Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
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Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
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i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
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Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
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Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
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CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
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Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
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Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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