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Still walling @4.8, gave it +0.1vcore and ring over rock solid 4.7ghz, set ring to 34x instead of 35x (800mhz-4ghz through turbo), tried +0.2+0.2+0.2 on sa dio aio, tried various vrin's in steps from 1.85 to 2.15

^horribly unstable. Seems fine at idle or light loads, i left it on and web browsed for hours. Failed 20 or 30 cinebench runs in a row though.

May interest you Dark though i'm hitting 9c's as well as 101's during that.

I'm not actually sure what to try, feels like i hit every setting in the bios unless it would be miraculously fixed from dropping RAM speeds, but i tried that before in similar circumstances and you said it didn't help (with 9c's etc)
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Still walling @4.8, gave it +0.1vcore and ring over rock solid 4.7ghz, set ring to 34x instead of 35x (800mhz-4ghz through turbo), tried +0.2+0.2+0.2 on sa dio aio, tried various vrin's in steps from 1.85 to 2.15

^horribly unstable. Seems fine at idle or light loads, i left it on and web browsed for hours. Failed 20 or 30 cinebench runs in a row though.

May interest you Dark though i'm hitting 9c's as well as 101's during that.

I'm not actually sure what to try, feels like i hit every setting in the bios unless it would be miraculously fixed from dropping RAM speeds, but i tried that before in similar circumstances and you said it didn't help (with 9c's etc)

Well I could do some tests to see stability change/bsod code change from changing SA/Io but it's hard because I can't use my computer while it's stressing and it'll take a LOOONGGGG time and I can't let it run while sleeping either.

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Still walling @4.8, gave it +0.1vcore and ring over rock solid 4.7ghz, set ring to 34x instead of 35x (800mhz-4ghz through turbo), tried +0.2+0.2+0.2 on sa dio aio, tried various vrin's in steps from 1.85 to 2.15

^horribly unstable. Seems fine at idle or light loads, i left it on and web browsed for hours. Failed 20 or 30 cinebench runs in a row though.

May interest you Dark though i'm hitting 9c's as well as 101's during that.

I'm not actually sure what to try, feels like i hit every setting in the bios unless it would be miraculously fixed from dropping RAM speeds, but i tried that before in similar circumstances and you said it didn't help (with 9c's etc)

Sound's like 4.8ghz is not achievable. +0.1vcore is a fairly substantial increase along with vrin up to 2.15v. Why did you bump vring up as well when ring was at x34 or have i read that wrong? I haven't found any benefit in stability from changing SA/IOA/IOD when clocking the core. I was under the impression these are quite specific to memory IMC/RAM, is there a tie in to the core?

One thing i've never changed is RAM. It's been at 1333mhz@1.65v the whole time (apart from a quick bench at 2400 for scoring, which netted 1200+ in xtu. smile.gif ). The only time i had a 9c was when i took the vrin and core (especially core) way past what was needed. Infact i ended up getting all sorts of funky bsod codes but that may have been influenced by the dying SSD!

There's just not enough time in the day for this stuff! Think i'm going to draw up a spreadsheet and record everything i do from voltages to time/distance in stressing. Might help get a better picture of what's happening instead of storing it all in my head!

Anyway, i can see where you're coming from with regards to high overclock and voltage although i agree with Wiz on this one, overclock refers to the increase in clock speed (frequency). 46@1.4v is a high overclock relative to that chip, 48@1.2v may not be the highest overclock for another chip but it can be deemed a higher overclock in general as the frequency is higher. Voltage has nothing to do with it.thumb.gif
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Sound's like 4.8ghz is not achievable.

Considering i can boot 4.9 no problem at way less volts i'd imagine it to be
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Why did you bump vring up as well when ring was at x34 or have i read that wrong?

because below "wall", i only, only saw 101's when lowering ring voltage below stable threshold
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I haven't found any benefit in stability from changing SA/IOA/IOD when clocking the core. I was under the impression these are quite specific to memory IMC/RAM, is there a tie in to the core?

There was rumor/evidence of digital io or just the volts in general helping out oc, allowing for a bit less vcore, or removing certain bsod's (i think 124's) a while ago

Other stuff depends on POV - i would define a high OC more as how far you are pushing something, or cooling requirements etc. By that kind of logic i would say that a hyper 212 is inappropriate for a high OC, even though it might be able to achieve 4.8ghz on some chips
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Yeah but there's a big difference in voltage for booting and being stable. I can boot 5.1 at current vcore but there's no way i'll be able to get it stable running another .1v. I have tried, briefly! I could boot 5.0 at 1.25v but i'm at 1.35v to be stable.

Still not getting (misunderstanding?) why you raised vring by .1v when uncore was at x34 when trying to find core stability?

Cool, i'll try adding a little SA/IOD v and see what happens. I'm at the extremely annoying stage of being a few hours stable with xtu before crash. There's only so many hours in the day so if it's a 5hr run and fail then it's mucho time gone! Argh!! lol.

Edit: don't suppose you can dig up a link to SA/IOA/D having an effect in core stability (uncore as well??)
Edited by Doug2507 - 10/11/13 at 1:31am
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Edit: don't suppose you can dig up a link to SA/IOA/D having an effect in core stability (uncore as well??)

Early pages of some of the haswell threads, it was talked about at least digital io helping 124's
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Still not getting (misunderstanding?) why you raised vring by .1v when uncore was at x34 when trying to find core stability?

Because it's ring voltage, it's not only linked to the uncore/ring/cache multiplier, though that's not why i raised it (like i said i only see 101's below 4.8 if i use too low ring)
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Early pages of some of the haswell threads, it was talked about at least digital io helping 124's
Because it's ring voltage, it's not only linked to the uncore/ring/cache multiplier, though that's not why i raised it (like i said i only see 101's below 4.8 if i use too low ring)

If you're going to claim that as fact then I'm going to need evidence. :gotproof: Even if you are correct in theory, that does not mean it will translate to a major factor in practice.

 

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Yeah but there's a big difference in voltage for booting and being stable. I can boot 5.1 at current vcore but there's no way i'll be able to get it stable running another .1v. I have tried, briefly! I could boot 5.0 at 1.25v but i'm at 1.35v to be stable.

Still not getting (misunderstanding?) why you raised vring by .1v when uncore was at x34 when trying to find core stability?

Cool, i'll try adding a little SA/IOD v and see what happens. I'm at the extremely annoying stage of being a few hours stable with xtu before crash. There's only so many hours in the day so if it's a 5hr run and fail then it's mucho time gone! Argh!! lol.

Edit: don't suppose you can dig up a link to SA/IOA/D having an effect in core stability (uncore as well??)

We need more data.

For example: What if SA/Io only help at high voltage near stability and is the deciding factor, pushing it to stability? You won't find that out by lowering your own settings and tweaking it that way, only by trying one multiplier above your highest stable multiplier.

 

But it takes so long to Bsod now. I can't run synthetics or my CPU will implode. So I'm stuck with x264. But recording until I crash 5 times as per my old procedure, that would take hours upon hours once I test multiple settings, (Don't forget, Io/Sa is a set of three different voltages) AND, I can't loop it, I have to be next to the computer the entire time.

 

If you can bring in that sort of data, then that would be awesome. But I get it if you can't.

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Anybody else really troubled by HyperPi? I'm trying to get my 4770K to 4.6 GHz, but whatever I do I get WHEA BSODs. Tried reducing cache clocks to 4 GHz, Vring is at 1.25V, also reduced RAM to 2133 MHz. HCI memtest finds no errors, so I don't think RAM is the issue.

I am already at 1.39 V adaptive, Vin is up to 1.96 V, but WHEA all day err' day. 4.5 GHz works with 4.4 GHz cache at 1.32 V and memory on 2600 MHz, so I think it is just a matter of Vcore.

Mobo is ASRock Z87 Pro4. CPU is delidded, but not using any liquid metal paste at this point. Core temp are mostly lower than 80°C, occasionally spiking above that value.

Is there anything I can try that does not involve increasing my Vcore even more?
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IBT - Would this pass if uncore is not stable?
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IBT - Would this pass if uncore is not stable?

He might pass, which version are you using, cus it might be obsolete?
LinX 0.6.5 been updated to latest haswell intstructions and wont pass if anything is off. Get latest version here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?201670-LinX-A-simple-Linpack-interface&p=5206283&viewfull=1#post5206283
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