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Next question please. drunken.gif

I'm apparently living with my family which thinks that, 'hey that old setup just worked fine, whats so special about this new one?'

How would you explain to a person as if they were 5, how much of a boost is 955 to 4670k?
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I'm apparently living with my family which thinks that, 'hey that old setup just worked fine, whats so special about this new one?'

How would you explain to a person as if they were 5, how much of a boost is 955 to 4670k?

Smack them with a large babelfish.

Show them how awesome gaming graphics are. Wait, that probably won't work.

Err, you're doing this to build a better folding machine to work with Stanford to cure ailments.

 

You might want to call professional help for this one. party.gif

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Yes but the ability of the CPU to calculate faster is still primarily dependent on the core not the uncore. Core has been the largest factor the entire time from stock to overclocked to overclocked with stock uncore. You'll do much more with an extra multiplier nudge on core.

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I agree. My "imaginary" game example already points in this direction. Everithing depends on the type of load but that is the general idea.

Most CPU benchmarks show that CPU core is king, the second most important is probably RAM speed and the third is probably L3 cache speed (I think that cache speed only affects L3 cache). I would have to check my overclocking notes to be sure about this order.

I think that is logical, because L1 and L2 cache lowers the importance of L3 cache and RAM on the fourth level is much slower then L3.
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I should change my username to i54670k560ti tongue.gif
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I should change my username to i54670k560ti tongue.gif

I just realized your username is related to... ahh nevermind. :h34r-smi

 

Somebody find a way to loop x264, pl0x?

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Don't want to get involved in the bottleneck debate but i had a good example the other day O/C'ing the GPU's.

Setup:

780 GTX SLI running custom BIOS
CPU running at std clocks

Result:

Heaven bottlenecked at 3000+ points.

Why:

I took the gpu core to what was maybe 1200mhz and hit 3000 points in Heaven. I then took the core up to 1293mhz before loosing stability and didn't gain any extra points for that increase in core all the way up. Changed the CPU to a saved O/C and low and behold scored 3200+ points.

Perfect example of the CPU being a bottleneck on the GPU's. smile.gif
Edited by Doug2507 - 10/17/13 at 7:26am
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I'm apparently living with my family which thinks that, 'hey that old setup just worked fine, whats so special about this new one?'

How would you explain to a person as if they were 5, how much of a boost is 955 to 4670k?

Tell them the computer is becoming very slow and is stuttering all over the place. You need to upgrade the platform to maintain usability and best of all, it uses way less power than the outgoing system.
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Tell them the computer is becoming very slow and is stuttering all over the place. You need to upgrade the platform to maintain usability and best of all, it uses way less power than the outgoing system.

Its not like they own me, quite the other way around. Its just that you know, like when someone buys a big car, they're like 'hey this is a small town with cramped streets, what the heck do you plan to do with that car?'

Or stuff like 'a BMW and you can't drive! LOL?'

To them apparently the difference between CRT and LCD is also not visible :facepalm:
There is a 20 year old CRT in my living room, and unless it goes out of order I can't get mom a new one. My room is too cramped for me to get one for myself.
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Don't want to get involved in the bottleneck debate but i had a good example the other day O/C'ing the GPU's.

Setup:

780 GTX SLI running custom BIOS
CPU running at std clocks

Result:

Heaven bottlenecked at 3000+ points.

Why:

I took the gpu core to what was maybe 1200mhz and hit 3000 points in Heaven. I then took the core up to 1293mhz before loosing stability and didn't gain any extra points for that increase in core all the way up. Changed the CPU to a saved O/C and low and behold scored 3200+ points.

Perfect example of the CPU being a bottleneck on the GPU's. smile.gif

That's very strange. Wasn't like that for me.

 

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There is a 20 year old CRT in my living room, and unless it goes out of order I can't get mom a new one. 

Ask Miley Cyrus in her latest music video.

Nothing a sledgehammer or a wrecking ball can't fix.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 10/17/13 at 7:57am
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I see some people play with the Input Voltage too. Default is about 1.7V on my board iirc. Can changing it make a difference?pUFZE
I'm trying 1.290V in BIOS to get 4.4 stable. (Still crashes in Prime95 with AVX's blend test after an hour or so). Would crash within 10 minutes at 1.285V. So it needs more Vcore it seems. Wondering if there's any other setting that I can change to make it stable without increasing Vcore.
Yea the input voltage is the voltage regulator. It supplies voltage to the entire system, which can increase stability without raising specific voltages. It will raise temps though, so don't use more than you need. Somewhere around 1.8-1.9V is plenty for a 4.4GHz overclock.
Edited by woodforth - 10/17/13 at 8:39am
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