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Off the top of my head, League of legends, starcraft 2, crysis 3 and battlefield 4 have bluescreened within 5 minutes on an OC that could pass linx without avx, i didn't try playing much else

If you see my previous post, I've had BSODs with an OC that passed IBT. And I do believe LinX is something similar to it.

This is why I was talking about priming. I've always preferred blend for about half an hour. If I BSOD at any point after that ( this OC that I have right now has been primed for half an hour, and didn't BSOD after 3-4 hours of CSGO yesterday ), then it means my OC was unstable. But for me, a BSOD after that point usually means there isn't enough voltage ( I go a little crazy undervolting everything ) like a 124.
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Yea but prime 28.1 small fft with avx is a little bit extreme, no?
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Yea but prime 28.1 small fft with avx is a little bit extreme, no?

If you are using a program that utilized AVX2, then no, it isn't. However, if you are merely gaming 27.9 is great. I personally use 27.9 because I don't need to be ppprim 28.1 stable. I try out my new benchmark with x264 and if it is stable, I move on to a few hours of 27.9 when I busy doing something around the house. After that, I game.
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Off the top of my head, League of legends, starcraft 2, crysis 3 and battlefield 4 have bluescreened within 5 minutes on an OC that could pass linx without avx, i didn't try playing much else

I've noticed that if you can pass OCCT with AVX enabled, you will never crash in a game.

Also, what are the chances of AVX being used in games in the future?
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I've noticed that if you can pass OCCT with AVX enabled, you will never crash in a game.

Also, what are the chances of AVX being used in games in the future?

Future games hold more importance to AVX instructions being used rather than now days.
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No game will use 100% of the CPU nowadays for them to warrant stress testing. If they did, the game wouldn't be optimized and the system would crash because Windows wouldn't have any resources. I don't see 8 hour stress testing as anything more than a waste of power.

Also, Prime for 8 hours. If your temps while gaming reach those, you must have either a slow processor ( if you're in this thread, chances are naught ) or the game must be severely unoptimized. Take a look at Battlefield 3 ( the BF4 beta is after all, a beta ) uses about 85% CPU on Ivy Bridge ( first thread I pulled off the internetz ) and then tell me if Prime does the same thing.

Games, GPU's and CPUs of today 'do' actually use the max resources available, in other words, 99-100%. It's got nothing to do with being 'unoptimized'. How about, if you have a powerful CPU, what if a game doesn't need that kinda power?

Why make such an uncomplicated situation so complicated out of nothing.
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Originally Posted by tomlev5 View Post


Probably not. AIDA64 is pretty inefficient at finding instability.

Faster options are:
- x264 benchmark
- prime95 v27.9 (very hot)
- prime95 v28.1 (very very hot)
- XTU

Be careful if you use prime95. High overclocks can't be tested with prime95 because of the temps.

You ought to mention Linpack and IBT as those are probably hotter than new Prime.

 

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I don't agree. I think you should do at least how long you use your computer for. For instance, say I game 8 hours straight every day. I would suggest at least doing 8 hours of testing before calling it stable. Then, moving on to what you normally do and if you get a BSOD up your voltages depending on what the BSOD was.

 

 

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No game will use 100% of the CPU nowadays for them to warrant stress testing. If they did, the game wouldn't be optimized and the system would crash because Windows wouldn't have any resources. I don't see 8 hour stress testing as anything more than a waste of power.

Also, Prime for 8 hours. If your temps while gaming reach those, you must have either a slow processor ( if you're in this thread, chances are naught ) or the game must be severely unoptimized. Take a look at Battlefield 3 ( the BF4 beta is after all, a beta ) uses about 85% CPU on Ivy Bridge ( first thread I pulled off the internetz ) and then tell me if Prime does the same thing.

Ok guys.

First of all, it depends on what you do. I do chess. 100% all cores for hours on end, some people fold. Some people encode videos. It's good practice to not bsod at a normal nonsynthetic load even if it uses all cores. Just because you don't Bsod after 3 hours of 100% load won't mean you won't bsod after 5 hours at Crysis 3. Just because you don't bsod after 5 hours at Crysis 3 doesn't mean the next 5 hours you play on Crysis 3 won't bsod.

 

Therefore I think the best way is to be stable at x264 for a while. If that's fine, THEN when you're pretty sure you're at or very near stability, try out normal load and go on a gaming spree for a few days.

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Future games hold more importance to AVX instructions being used rather than now days.
Games, GPU's and CPUs of today 'do' actually use the max resources available, in other words, 99-100%. It's got nothing to do with being 'unoptimized'. How about, if you have a powerful CPU, what if a game doesn't need that kinda power?

Why make such an uncomplicated situation so complicated out of nothing.

If they did use all the resources available, Windows as such wouldn't be usable. For example, a lot of times, while stress testing, there are response issues even when you move the foreground window around.

----

Either way, we've severely gone off topic. Prime/Stress as much as you feel like. It's just that you won't find a scenario where you crash after 5 hours of Prime/OCCT/AIDA64 that'll happen to you on a regular basis playing a game of some sort.
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If they did use all the resources available, Windows as such wouldn't be usable. For example, a lot of times, while stress testing, there are response issues even when you move the foreground window around.

----

Either way, we've severely gone off topic. Prime/Stress as much as you feel like. It's just that you won't find a scenario where you crash after 5 hours of Prime/OCCT/AIDA64 that'll happen to you on a regular basis playing a game of some sort.

I dunno, but when stressing with Prime I can still move the cursor around. But you can measure CPU usage while gaming, and see that it does not continuously use 100% of the CPU.

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If you are using a program that utilized AVX2, then no, it isn't.

You're all forgetting that x264 utilizes avx enough to see a 5% performance gain going from avx1 to avx2

using avx =/= hammering FPU enough to throw out >200gflops below 4ghz
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You ought to mention Linpack and IBT as those are probably hotter than new Prime.



Ok guys.
First of all, it depends on what you do. I do chess. 100% all cores for hours on end, some people fold. Some people encode videos. It's good practice to not bsod at a normal nonsynthetic load even if it uses all cores. Just because you don't Bsod after 3 hours of 100% load won't mean you won't bsod after 5 hours at Crysis 3. Just because you don't bsod after 5 hours at Crysis 3 doesn't mean the next 5 hours you play on Crysis 3 won't bsod.

Therefore I think the best way is to be stable at x264 for a while. If that's fine, THEN when you're pretty sure you're at or very near stability, try out normal load and go on a gaming spree for a few days.

That's what I was trying to say. I don't fold, I don't encode, I don't use chess, so for me a couple of passes and some prime 95 27.9 works just dandy. I know my testing per hour with 27.9 is not a one size fits all kinda thing, but it works to some degree. If you fold then 24 hours of testing is a lot to not be folding, so that method is not best for you.

In other news, I'm getting closer to stability with 4.6Ghz at 1.26 vcore and 1.85 VRIN. going to up my vcore to see how far it takes to get 4.6 stable. biggrin.gif
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