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This is highly interesting. I'm scared of trying it out with the stock cooler and a 4.2Ghz OC.

lol, well you should be. I did few tests earlier @ stock with the stock cooler to see how crap mine was and found this.

Folding, x264 v5 bench, Cinebench and XTU stress test were between 83-86 degrees (this was with the side windows open, if I closed the side windows and let the programs just run, I'm not sure if the temps would go up).

While XTU bench, Prime 27.9, IBT 2.54, AIDA64 and OCCT 4.4 are >100 degrees. Who knows what temps they would've reached because of course that's where it throttles you down.
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Just stay off synthetics, eye the temps and you'll be fine. It's not going to shift from 70C to 100+C in the space of one second.

 

But you know, if you run Linpack and walk off to take a nap that might be costly nap.


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Just stay off synthetics, eye the temps and you'll be fine. It's not going to shift from 70C to 100+C in the space of one second.

But you know, if you run Linpack and walk off to take a nap that might be costly nap.

I like that idea. I see 20C higher temps in P95 27.9 vs x264. So maybe I'll stick w/ x264 and Valley.

But in your opinion DW, what would be the 2 best apps for 2D and 3D?
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Hey guys,

Just picked up a new i5-4670k and it looks like I might've gotten pretty lucky with this chip. I loaded up UEFI defaults, set core multiplier to 46, core voltage to 1.20v, and left the rest on auto (although my RAM is only ddr3 1600). Miraculously, I was able to boot into windows and run IBT on High without any errors or blue screens.

I'm very excited about this, but now I'm wondering if maybe I should upgrade my cooling solution to get the most out of this chip. During my testing I hit 91C on one of my cores at one point. I'm using a CM Hyper 212 EVO. Are there any tweaks I could do to get the temps down? I'm not sure what temps I should be shooting for exactly, but I read on overclockers.com that it'd be wise to stay under 85C.
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Hey guys,

Just picked up a new i5-4670k and it looks like I might've gotten pretty lucky with this chip. I loaded up UEFI defaults, set core multiplier to 46, core voltage to 1.20v, and left the rest on auto (although my RAM is only ddr3 1600). Miraculously, I was able to boot into windows and run IBT on High without any errors or blue screens.

I'm very excited about this, but now I'm wondering if maybe I should upgrade my cooling solution to get the most out of this chip. During my testing I hit 91C on one of my cores at one point. I'm using a CM Hyper 212 EVO. Are there any tweaks I could do to get the temps down? I'm not sure what temps I should be shooting for exactly, but I read on overclockers.com that it'd be wise to stay under 85C.

That tweak is called not using IBT. If you stress with x264, XTU, 27.9 Prime, etc temps will lower. 95C and under is just fine for stress testing. For normal operation 85C is the ideal range, above might not be good for normal use but I can't say there is evidence it will lead to problems later as there isn't evidence of that yet.

 

IMo first step run a less hot stress test.

THEN, if you're still thermally limited then get a better cooling solution.

Grats on the chip, you win some and you lose some, looks like you won this one.

 

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I like that idea. I see 20C higher temps in P95 27.9 vs x264. So maybe I'll stick w/ x264 and Valley.

But in your opinion DW, what would be the 2 best apps for 2D and 3D?

For 2d and 3d what? Graphic stressing you mean?

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Adaptive will be better during normal usage. Stability testing is a different matter. During stress/stability testing, the CPU will request, and get more voltage than what is actually needed - effectively making stressing fairly dangerous. I don't readily have a link to back this up with, but a search on Haswell guides will support this....
It will request more voltage when the AVX instruction set is called for. That's why and stress test with AVX is so much hotter then other stress tests.

That's also why Im using adaptive. With stress tests like x264 and XTU that don't use AVX, I can still cause a higher stress level then Ill ever see in day to day use. And not have to worry about voltage and temps spiking.
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That tweak is called not using IBT. If you stress with x264, XTU, 27.9 Prime, etc temps will lower. 95C and under is just fine for stress testing. For normal operation 85C is the ideal range, above might not be good for normal use but I can't say there is evidence it will lead to problems later as there isn't evidence of that yet.

IMo first step run a less hot stress test.
THEN, if you're still thermally limited then get a better cooling solution.
Grats on the chip, you win some and you lose some, looks like you won this one.

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For 2d and 3d what? Graphic stressing you mean?

Thanks for the advice. I actually tried using AIDA64 instead and my temps never went over 66C, but I got a blue screen after about 5 minutes of testing, so I'm going to try some of your suggestions from the guide. I'll update my sig and keep you guys posted with the results.
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Thanks for the advice. I actually tried using AIDA64 instead and my temps never went over 66C, but I got a blue screen after about 5 minutes of testing, so I'm going to try some of your suggestions from the guide. I'll update my sig and keep you guys posted with the results.

Right now x264 is the rave on this thread because Totum made a script allowing x264 bench to stress the computer for 20 times straight. The temps of x264 is basically worst case scenario of a real world workload. If you get say, 70C there, you will pretty much never go above 70C when you use your computer, whether it's for folding, chess, rendering, or whatnot.

 

Make sure you're ironing out the stability. You don't have to do x264 but from what I've seen a 20pass success basically means you won't Bsod at all. That way, you're not surprised to see a Bsod when you thought you were stable (which psychologically screws with people I think, even though the amount of time spent tweaking would be the same).

 

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It will request more voltage when the AVX instruction set is called for. That's why and stress test with AVX is so much hotter then other stress tests.

That's also why Im using adaptive. With stress tests like x264 and XTU that don't use AVX, I can still cause a higher stress level then Ill ever see in day to day use. And not have to worry about voltage and temps spiking.

I think with Totum's new script, a 20 pass x264 success should be automatically be considered a functionally stable CPU.

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Right now x264 is the rave on this thread because Totum made a script allowing x264 bench to stress the computer for 20 times straight. The temps of x264 is basically worst case scenario of a real world workload. If you get say, 70C there, you will pretty much never go above 70C when you use your computer, whether it's for folding, chess, rendering, or whatnot.

Make sure you're ironing out the stability. You don't have to do x264 but from what I've seen a 20pass success basically means you won't Bsod at all. That way, you're not surprised to see a Bsod when you thought you were stable (which psychologically screws with people I think, even though the amount of time spent tweaking would be the same).

I think with Totum's new script, a 20 pass x264 success should be automatically be considered a functionally stable CPU.

Is the script all I have to run or is there another program associated with it? Can I find it in the thread somewhere? I don't remember seeing that listed in your stability section of the guide.
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Is the script all I have to run or is there another program associated with it? Can I find it in the thread somewhere? I don't remember seeing that listed in your stability section of the guide.

It's there now, it recently just got added because the script recently got released.

 

 

 

BTW here is the download link of the x264 bench

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=520

 

It will probably ask for AViSynth, an easy and quick download and install. Small file this one, no worries.

 

All you have to do is to save the txt file as a bat and replace your bat script that came with the x264 download. Now the test will loop until it's done 20 passes. There is a crazy 50 loop version a few pages ago but I find that excessive.

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Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
Other
Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
AudioOther
Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
Other
Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
AudioOther
Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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