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Shut down unexpectedly

Date
‎10/‎30/‎2013 9:25 AM

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Problem signature
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.2.9200.2.0.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1033

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BCCode: 124
BCP1: 0000000000000000
BCP2: FFFFFA80075A0028
BCP3: 00000000BF800000
BCP4: 0000000000000124
OS Version: 6_2_9200
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1
Bucket ID: 0x124_GenuineIntel_PROCESSOR_CACHE


bsod help confused.gif

The 124 BSOD code usually means more vcore is needed....
post #4752 of 19539
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What is the average vcore needed for 4770k 4.5Ghz ?

My 4770k is at 4.5 with 1.25 vcore, 1.85 vrin. It can do 4.6 but not without rising vcore all the way to 1.31 and 1.9 vrin, with temps around 90c.
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Hi. i need your help about overclocking i7 4770k. the specs of my rig are these:

Case: Cooler master Haf X
Psu: Corsair AX 860
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CPU: Intel i7 4770K
Ram: Corsair dominator GT@ 2000Mhz 4x2gb 8-9-8-24
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I have managed to go up to 4.4Ghz with vcore 1.32v and ram @ 1800Mhz. stable with temp full load 65''. I am trying to go up to 4.6 Ghz but whatever i try the pc crach when i stretch the cores with aida64. I have try up to 1.38 vcore and ram down to 1600mhz but nothing. Before i upgrade my system i had i7 3770 stable @ 4.7Ghz and ram @ 1800Mhz. Is there something that i missed. The settings of formula vi are set to manual, because whenever i try the preconfigured settings above 4.4 ghz the sytem does not post.

Thank you.
post #4754 of 19539
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My 4770k is at 4.5 with 1.25 vcore, 1.85 vrin. It can do 4.6 but not without rising vcore all the way to 1.31 and 1.9 vrin, with temps around 90c.

does the vrin can help to reduce the vcore or no relation between them?
I'm currently testing 4.40 @ 1.23v and vrin is set @ Auto.
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Well ... To my surprise I finished an Intel XTU benchmark and currently at pass 10/20 in x264.

Why the surprise ?

Because I been to blinded trying to reach a stable 49/50 multiplier that I did not bother to check at what Vcore I could be "stable" at 45 multiplier.

Currently running:

4.5Ghz CORE
3.4Ghz Cache

1.19 Vcore
Default Cache voltage

Default everything else (SA, IO Analog, IO digital).

Temperatures at these kind of voltage are so low that I am giggling like a little girl at the numbers.

Will post screenie when done :-)

Memory 2400Mhz CL9.
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What sort of stability are you seeking Gomi? If it's just for Bench then the core needs to be fairly stable but you can get away with raising uncore (which won't pass Stress).
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does the vrin can help to reduce the vcore or no relation between them?
I'm currently testing 4.40 @ 1.23v and vrin is set @ Auto.

Yep, there's no exact relation between VRin and VCore, I've tested this theory.
post #4758 of 19539
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does the vrin can help to reduce the vcore or no relation between them?
I'm currently testing 4.40 @ 1.23v and vrin is set @ Auto.

I wouldn't say to reduce vcore but to find stability without increasing much vcore.

I've read a lot of people's results and it goes either way. Some leave vrin on auto and manage to get a stable oc while others need to put more vrin for stability.

In my case for 4.5ghz/1866ram, I started with auto vrin and vcore of 1.200, made it into windows but bsod as soon as I ran prime. Then I slowly increased vcore until it was prime stable for around 2-3 hours. Then I started playing with vrin, giving it increments of 0.01 from the stock 1.79 on auto. Prime started to last longer on each increase until I reached 12 hours prime, 50 passes of linpack with vrin 1.85 and called it a day. It was an entire weekend of bsods.
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What sort of stability are you seeking Gomi? If it's just for Bench then the core needs to be fairly stable but you can get away with raising uncore (which won't pass Stress).

Just trying to find my 24/7 overclock mate - For benching I got a few profiles that are holding up in different programs.

If this thing passes all 20 runs (Nearly there now) on 4.5Ghz @ 1.19Vcore I will spend rest of the evening playing a few games and watch a movie - If that passes I am going to turn all power saving features and adaptive on and call it a day (For a 24/7).
Edited by Gomi - 10/30/13 at 1:51pm
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I suppose it really comes down to your cooling solution... you'll hear and see that most of the time Intel, Asus and others will say, heat doesn't kill cpu's, voltage does... But they are linked hand in hand; So I go with what most all of them recommend, staying under 1.4. Like said below, I have run 1.4 many times, but it's been only briefly and not long term. Given most boards, or VRM's aren't exactly accurate, for me to have stayed under the 1.4, I'd have to set voltage to 1.38, then the final output would be 1.39, 1.4. But I was in the 5Ghz ranges too. I can run 4.6Ghz with a 1.31Vcore, but if I try 4.8, I have to run 1.38ish. I am limited going farther with the chip i have now; My first 4770K was a dud... wouldn't do 4.8..even increasing up to 1.4 To even get a 4.6, I was already at 1.38. Just a bad sample. my current one is much much better.

I know some of previous gen chips can hold 1.4+, but haswell is a different beast of it's own.

No it doesn't.

It comes down to what voltages cause degradation.

Like I said: Degradation and temps are two seperate issues. They are somewhat connected but they are not the same thing. Some throttle at 1.2v+. Some at 1.4v+. But regardless, what is a voltage that will cause degradation is similar for each CPU. On the other hand temps vary A LOT as I've said. If you use linpack with stock cooler in the Sahara Desert you will easily throttle at stock. If you use D14 (air) at half decent ambients with good airflow and nonsynthetics, you won't throttle at 1.5v.

 

So in looking for safety you ought to look at voltage and temps differently. You have two boxes to check: 1) Is my temp too high for my liking, leading to throttling issues? No? 2) Is my voltage too high, too close to possible future degradation? No? Then the overclock is fine.

 

What you say about extra voltage has already been discussed and noted. It may be inaccurate readings or the CPU actually getting more voltage. There is a reason why there is a seperate VID vs Vcore entry in the chart, so I don't know why you're telling me this, unless you have not read the first post.

 

You and I both have no definitive evidence on what voltages cause degradation. Haswell hasn't been out long enough to get any positive conclusion. You can say, 'better safe than sorry' etc etc but by the way you go about this issue I get this feeling you think you have a precise figure on what is safe and what is not. 

 

So if you have a good cooling solution, you must not forget about degradation even with low temps; if you have a bad cooling solution you mostly have to worry about temps as you won't even get to high voltages before a nuclear meltdown.

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You know that's just fine and dandy. Go ahead.. Run it' it's not my 300+ dollars in it, I could care less if you damage it or not. Just in time, when it's not working, randomly crashing or giving you other problems, you'll figure out and think back to these conversations. I'm over it, no need to discuss this any farther.

Have a good day and best of luck to you.

Well first my CPU was $220. It's too bad you don't care about the suffering of your fellow humans. ;)

I don't think you read my posts carefully. In fact I don't think you read either the first post or the posts where I said I'm at 4.5 and I'm not doing 1.4v+ right now. You're reading one line and drawing too many conclusions.

 

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Hi. i need your help about overclocking i7 4770k. the specs of my rig are these:

Case: Cooler master Haf X
Psu: Corsair AX 860
Mobo: Asus Maximus VI formula
CPU: Intel i7 4770K
Ram: Corsair dominator GT@ 2000Mhz 4x2gb 8-9-8-24
Gpu: Asus Gtx 670oc @ sli
SSD: Intel 530 120Gb
Hdd: Seagate 1tb
Watercooling parts:
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Vga block: EK-FC670 GTX DCII - Nickel
Backplates EKWB
Bridge: EK-FC Bridge DUAL Parallel 3-Slot CSQ Plexi
Ram block: EK-RAM Monarch X4 - Acetal+Nickel CSQ
Pump: EK-DCP 4.0 (12V DC Pump)
2 X Rads: EKWB EK-CoolStream RAD XT 240 Watercooling Radiator -
EKWB EK-CoolStream RAD XT 120 Watercooling Radiator
Tank: Alphacool Cape Fuzion Core 30 Acetal Black Reservoir
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Connectors: Alphacool
Fans: 5x Corsair SP 120 performance
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Cables: Nanoxia sleeved.

I have managed to go up to 4.4Ghz with vcore 1.32v and ram @ 1800Mhz. stable with temp full load 65''. I am trying to go up to 4.6 Ghz but whatever i try the pc crach when i stretch the cores with aida64. I have try up to 1.38 vcore and ram down to 1600mhz but nothing. Before i upgrade my system i had i7 3770 stable @ 4.7Ghz and ram @ 1800Mhz. Is there something that i missed. The settings of formula vi are set to manual, because whenever i try the preconfigured settings above 4.4 ghz the sytem does not post.

Thank you.

In the back of your head don't forget that Haswells OC a bit less than Ivies as far as I know but they make up for it via IPC improvements.

 

Your post hints that you went from 44 to 46. What happened to x45?  Also, what's the uncore setting?


Edited by Darkwizzie - 10/30/13 at 2:08pm
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