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What? Why wouldn't it be at stock? Stock means you didn't overclock it. Does your CPU Bsod without you overclocking it? Then you have other issues that need to be fixed.

All this is already mentioned in the first post.


I quoted you and was wondering if you missed a word.
"You have no reason to touch Ring bus multiplier and Ring voltage after it's stable at stock."

Obviously I am getting the BSODs when OCing man, comon.
WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
Ok, let me consult the 1st post again

Edit: Ok I get it, according to your post VRing and Uncore are for performance only and should be at first left untouched until stable point is reached... cool stuff

See what confuses me is that in another Overclock.net guide
(http://www.overclock.net/t/1401976/the-gigabyte-z87-haswell-overclocking-oc-guide)
the following is mentioned:

Recommended Voltages for Frequency: It is very tough to recommend voltages for different frequency ranges; this is because the CPUs seem to differ heavily in terms of OC capability, but in one of the graphs above you can see the voltages I used and you can use it as a guide. My CPU however is in the top 30% of CPUs, however most CPUs won’t do 4.5ghz at 1.22v. So for 4.5ghz you want to use around 1.25v to 1.35v VCore. vRing also helps a lot with stabilizing CPU overclocking, try 1.15v vRing if you are not OCing the Uncore, if you are please look below.


The author mentions that vRing does help stabilise CPU overclocking, so are you both saying different things or am I misunderstanding something?

It's certainly a bit confusing for a beginner....
Edited by Gero2013 - 11/1/13 at 7:00pm
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Honestly, I've read your posts multiple times and I'm confused. I don't know what you're saying.

 

The uncore goes to stock.

Don't worry about uncore, the guide specifically points out to work on core instead first.

You said you didn't understand the whole uncore thing and asked whether you can leave it alone for now. Well, you should already be leaving it alone because we're not done with core overclock.

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Essentially, you want to lessen the amount of variables that you're encountering - so OC'ing one thing at a time helps with that.

Personally, I put the settings (RAM, Core Multi, and Ring Multi) where I wanted them to be, then figured out how to make them stable at those speeds. Granted, it was challenging (to say the least), but my OC is stable - 4.6 core, 4.4 cache, 2133 RAM (9-11-11-31 timings).... thumb.gif
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Honestly, I've read your posts multiple times and I'm confused. I don't know what you're saying.

The uncore goes to stock.
Don't worry about uncore, the guide specifically points out to work on core instead first.
You said you didn't understand the whole uncore thing and asked whether you can leave it alone for now. Well, you should already be leaving it alone because we're not done with core overclock.

Yeah I didn't have much of a clue in my first posts.
Ok great, so the uncore is sorted then, I didn't touch it anyway.

The question I have is regarding vRing

In your post you mention to leave it alone also.
However, there is a guide on OCN that says it can help stabilise the CPU overclocking.


(http://www.overclock.net/t/1401976/the-gigabyte-z87-haswell-overclocking-oc-guide)

Recommended Voltages for Frequency: It is very tough to recommend voltages for different frequency ranges; this is because the CPUs seem to differ heavily in terms of OC capability, but in one of the graphs above you can see the voltages I used and you can use it as a guide. My CPU however is in the top 30% of CPUs, however most CPUs won’t do 4.5ghz at 1.22v. So for 4.5ghz you want to use around 1.25v to 1.35v VCore. vRing also helps a lot with stabilizing CPU overclocking, try 1.15v vRing if you are not OCing the Uncore, if you are please look below.

The author mentions that vRing does help stabilise CPU overclocking, so are you both saying different things or am I misunderstanding something?
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Yeah I didn't have much of a clue in my first posts.
Ok great, so the uncore is sorted then, I didn't touch it anyway.

The question I have is regarding vRing

In your post you mention to leave it alone also.
However, there is a guide on OCN that says it can help stabilise the CPU overclocking.


(http://www.overclock.net/t/1401976/the-gigabyte-z87-haswell-overclocking-oc-guide)

Recommended Voltages for Frequency: It is very tough to recommend voltages for different frequency ranges; this is because the CPUs seem to differ heavily in terms of OC capability, but in one of the graphs above you can see the voltages I used and you can use it as a guide. My CPU however is in the top 30% of CPUs, however most CPUs won’t do 4.5ghz at 1.22v. So for 4.5ghz you want to use around 1.25v to 1.35v VCore. vRing also helps a lot with stabilizing CPU overclocking, try 1.15v vRing if you are not OCing the Uncore, if you are please look below.

The author mentions that vRing does help stabilise CPU overclocking, so are you both saying different things or am I misunderstanding something?

Yes we are saying different things.

Nobody has demonstrated or even hinted that such a tweak would enhance overclockability if the ring is at stock. Keep in mind we're heading for 5000 posts in this thread already. From my own tests I saw no change.

 

However, I don't see any reason why setting an above stock Vring will cause INstability either. So you're welcome to try it and if you think you know for sure this kind of tweak actually causes notable bonus in stability, please notify me.

 

I'm skeptical that such a tweak will cause any measurable difference, I think the attention needs to be focused on Vcore.

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Yes we are saying different things.
Nobody has demonstrated or even hinted that such a tweak would enhance overclockability if the ring is at stock. Keep in mind we're heading for 5000 posts in this thread already. From my own tests I saw no change.

However, I don't see any reason why setting an above stock Vring will cause INstability either. So you're welcome to try it and if you think you know for sure this kind of tweak actually causes notable bonus in stability, please notify me.

I'm skeptical that such a tweak will cause any measurable difference, I think the attention needs to be focused on Vcore.

Ok cool, thanks for clearing that up.

Well, I had a funny issue with vRing
45x / 1.22 vCore / 1.15 vRing I couldn't boot into Win
45x / 1.22 vCore / 1.125 vRing it would boot ok

I am about to switch CPUs and in my next OC I will try to leave vRing untouched, simply to have one less variable to think about.
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The bsod was 124. I'm assuming voltage. Take a look at my bios pic, it's an older one so it doesn't have my current settings.
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The greeted out values is why I'm wondering. When I first tried 4.3ghz, I upped the core to 1.225v. It blue screened after welcome screen. Went back in to bios and the greeted out value said 1.232v. That's why I went and entered in 1.235v. I check it later and the greyed value was at 1.242v. See where I'm going with this?

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I meant greyed out values. Damn auto correct

The extra voltage is from the Load Line Calibration. Also, I don't think even the worst of chips need that voltage to do 4.3Ghz. I can boot into windows with 4.5 with that voltage. Sadly, temperatures are keeping me from stabilizing there. *grumbles about Intel's stock heatsink*

Also, keep your voltages at adaptive to see what's the max vcore your board will give when stressing. Then start with that vcore in BIOS and go lower. And as for VRIN and vRING, set them to 1.8 and 1.2v respectively. Once you're done stabilizing, you can reduce these voltages for better temperatures. Well, not the input voltage mostly.

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Yes we are saying different things.
Nobody has demonstrated or even hinted that such a tweak would enhance overclockability if the ring is at stock. Keep in mind we're heading for 5000 posts in this thread already. From my own tests I saw no change.

However, I don't see any reason why setting an above stock Vring will cause INstability either. So you're welcome to try it and if you think you know for sure this kind of tweak actually causes notable bonus in stability, please notify me.

I'm skeptical that such a tweak will cause any measurable difference, I think the attention needs to be focused on Vcore.

Ring voltage does make a difference to stabilizing an OC. Whether you're on stock or not. For a minimal 3.9Ghz uncore, I have my vRING set to ~1.18v. Wouldn't stabilize at any lower. Even when my uncore was stock, it wouldn't stabilize without increasing vRING.
Edited by Shanenanigans - 11/1/13 at 8:33pm
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The extra voltage is from the Load Line Calibration. Also, I don't think even the worst of chips need that voltage to do 4.3Ghz. I can boot into windows with 4.5 with that voltage. Sadly, temperatures are keeping me from stabilizing there. *grumbles about Intel's stock heatsink*

Also, keep your voltages at adaptive to see what's the max vcore your board will give when stressing. Then start with that vcore in BIOS and go lower. And as for VRIN and vRING, set them to 1.8 and 1.2v respectively. Once you're done stabilizing, you can reduce these voltages for better temperatures. Well, not the input voltage mostly.
Ring voltage does make a difference to stabilizing an OC. Whether you're on stock or not. For a minimal 3.9Ghz uncore, I have my vRING set to ~1.18v. Wouldn't stabilize at any lower. Even when my uncore was stock, it wouldn't stabilize without increasing vRING.

That's due to crappy motherboard rules but doesn't increase stability for the core overclock. It just fixes the motherboard's incompetence.

How about, instead I just tell everybody to set Uncore to 1.2v. I can't test this because I don't have this phenomnon and I have the same mobo as the other guy!

 

Did you just recommend stressing a synthetic with adaptive?


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That's due to crappy motherboard rules but doesn't increase stability for the core overclock. It just fixes the motherboard's incompetence.
How about, instead I just tell everybody to set Uncore to 1.2v. I can't test this because I don't have this phenomnon and I have the same mobo as the other guy!

Did you just recommend stressing a synthetic with adaptive?

It's hardly due to crappy motherboard rules. IINM, vRING goes on-die.

And yes, because no one's going to stress test for over 10 minutes with adaptive. It merely gives a threshold voltage. For example, Adaptive may tell me 1.3v is required for 4.7 Ghz. Realistically, I had booted into windows at 4.7 with 1.35v. That kind of thing.

Also, there are people who've posted in this thread, who run adaptive on a regular basis and reducing voltages when they test overclocks for sake of power saving.. You should probably mention in your guide that once you're done testing your OC, you can just turn on all the power saver tech back on, and the CPU will undervolt and underclock and such.
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It's hardly due to crappy motherboard rules. IINM, vRING goes on-die.

And yes, because no one's going to stress test for over 10 minutes with adaptive. It merely gives a threshold voltage. For example, Adaptive may tell me 1.3v is required for 4.7 Ghz. Realistically, I had booted into windows at 4.7 with 1.35v. That kind of thing.

Also, there are people who've posted in this thread, who run adaptive on a regular basis and reducing voltages when they test overclocks for sake of power saving.. You should probably mention in your guide that once you're done testing your OC, you can just turn on all the power saver tech back on, and the CPU will undervolt and underclock and such.

Well gotta make a public warning in bold, do not do adaptive with power savings, the voltage will shoot from 1.3 to like 1.45v and there goes the CPU.

 

Are you saying, that for example at 4.2 core stock uncore, stockvring voltage is stable. But at say, 4.5ghz core, stock uncore, stock vring causes Bsod?

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