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if I pass the Intel XTU benchmark / stress, does that mean it is stable enough or not?
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C'mon guys. Just use your system after stress testing and find out if it is stable for your uses or note.
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hm....

45x / 1.2 vCore / 1.050 vRing -> Prime95 crashes after 30s
45x / 1.2 vCore / 1.125 vRing -> Prime95 still running after 8 minutes

I know it may not be a stable point but it vRing does have an impact on initial stability, at least with the 2 CPUs I have.....

Damn, a 3rd variable xD
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hm....

45x / 1.2 vCore / 1.050 vRing -> Prime95 crashes after 30s
45x / 1.2 vCore / 1.125 vRing -> Prime95 still running after 8 minutes

I know it may not be a stable point but it vRing does have an impact on initial stability, at least with the 2 CPUs I have.....

Damn, a 3rd variable xD

Can you do more tests with those two settings? For example when I was testing Vrin I did 5 tests each.

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Well gotta make a public warning in bold, do not do adaptive with power savings, the voltage will shoot from 1.3 to like 1.45v and there goes the CPU.

Are you saying, that for example at 4.2 core stock uncore, stockvring voltage is stable. But at say, 4.5ghz core, stock uncore, stock vring causes Bsod?

I've never seen my CPU voltage go over 1.45 in adaptive. But then again, I ran adaptive for about 4 minutes after I setup my PC.

Back when I was on AMD, having too low of a NB Freq ( which is similar to uncore ) would cause BSODs, and fail prime. Pretty sure it's the same thing here. CPU is processing data faster than the rest of the components which are meant to keep up with it, and while a bottleneck will happen, what I've come to understand over the years is that it messes up the timings. Hence there's a BSOD like timing errors or failed response or whatever ( don't remember the exact BSODs )
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I've never seen my CPU voltage go over 1.45 in adaptive. But then again, I ran adaptive for about 4 minutes after I setup my PC.

Back when I was on AMD, having too low of a NB Freq ( which is similar to uncore ) would cause BSODs, and fail prime. Pretty sure it's the same thing here. CPU is processing data faster than the rest of the components which are meant to keep up with it, and while a bottleneck will happen, what I've come to understand over the years is that it messes up the timings. Hence there's a BSOD like timing errors or failed response or whatever ( don't remember the exact BSODs )

You're dead wrong if you're saying a low uncore bottlenecks.
There is no bottleneck and I've proven it. First page, check out the charts.

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The extra voltage is from the Load Line Calibration. Also, I don't think even the worst of chips need that voltage to do 4.3Ghz. I can boot into windows with 4.5 with that voltage. Sadly, temperatures are keeping me from stabilizing there. *grumbles about Intel's stock heatsink*

Also, keep your voltages at adaptive to see what's the max vcore your board will give when stressing. Then start with that vcore in BIOS and go lower. And as for VRIN and vRING, set them to 1.8 and 1.2v respectively. Once you're done stabilizing, you can reduce these voltages for better temperatures. Well, not the input voltage mostly.
Ring voltage does make a difference to stabilizing an OC. Whether you're on stock or not. For a minimal 3.9Ghz uncore, I have my vRING set to ~1.18v. Wouldn't stabilize at any lower. Even when my uncore was stock, it wouldn't stabilize without increasing vRING.

Apparently I may have a less than average chip then. When I first tried 4.2ghz, I left the vcore on adaptive. ( or auto, not sure). Bsod after welcome screen. I set it to 1.20v and ran good. Looked at CPUz and voltage was like 1.199. Tried 4.3ghz yesterday at 1.225 and bsod after welcome screen. (Could've sworn I typed this already wink.gif) looked in bios, voltage was at1.232v. I set at 1.235v and good. Just boss after the xtu test. Not set on adaptive. I thought it was supposed to be OC one thing at a time? Idk, I'm still a noob. I'll believe results. Personally I don't like stressing for hours.. But IF it helps for stability I'll do it. I'm getting all confused again lol
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Apparently I may have a less than average chip then. When I first tried 4.2ghz, I left the vcore on adaptive. ( or auto, not sure). Bsod after welcome screen. I set it to 1.20v and ran good. Looked at CPUz and voltage was like 1.199. Tried 4.3ghz yesterday at 1.225 and bsod after welcome screen. (Could've sworn I typed this already wink.gif) looked in bios, voltage was at1.232v. I set at 1.235v and good. Just boss after the xtu test. Not set on adaptive. I thought it was supposed to be OC one thing at a time? Idk, I'm still a noob. I'll believe results. Personally I don't like stressing for hours.. But IF it helps for stability I'll do it. I'm getting all confused again lol

The average overclock is 4.55ghz. I recommend using Hwinfo to monitor things unless it glitches out for you.

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You're dead wrong if you're saying a low uncore bottlenecks.

There is no bottleneck and I've proven it. First page, check out the charts.

Either way, whether or not there's a bottleneck, increasing vRING does add stability whether you like it or not. And for your charts, ideally, you should run the tests at least 4 times ( like on review sites ) but 10 times to be sure, and to kick out any outliers.

For reference

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?266589-The-OverClockers-BSOD-code-list

A 124 BSOD is usually related to vcore or QPI/VTT ( which for haswell, would be IMC voltage and L3 cache voltage, which is vRING )
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The average overclock is 4.55ghz. I recommend using Hwinfo to monitor things unless it glitches out for you.
I have that. I do open it everytime also. I just like to compare what programs say. My uncore is still at stock. If I don't have to touch it, then I'm cool. My temps have been impressive to me tho, only using a cm 212 evo. My temps really haven't changed much at all going from 3.4 to 4.3. I want to get up to 4.5ghz with a very hopeful 1.3v max. I don't see it happening tho
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