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Has anyone tried playing around with the 'VR Current Limit'. This is an option on Asus Z87i-Deluxe which reads, increasing it can reduce throttling when OC'n.
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So basically, you've ignored my post above completely. Not to mention my other post where I say there is a difference when you change the uncore. Like I said, whether the difference is practical or not, a difference is a difference. In whatever benchmark. See, when I show proof, much like you did in your charts, you just simply discount them. And then you say I'm calling out your testing methods in YOUR thread. I don't mind your benchmarks at all. I do believe uncore is app-dependent. However, the whole basis of this was that you may need some additional vRING voltage to get your vCore stable if you get something similar to a 124 BSOD.

Also, just as an example, having a super high CPU speed with stock uncore to me, is like having a C63 AMG Black. There's so much power, but if it can't be transferred to the wheels which can grip the road ( or better still, use AWD ) it's really just wasted spinning the wheels and not really getting anywhere.

Also, I don't particularly care about the 1:1 myth. Mostly because I've always hit much higher speeds on the CPUs and I simply couldn't clock the NB to match.

Right now I'm trying to figure out why my temperatures are so high while stressing. And I can't seem to figure out why whichever LLC I set to Extreme/Turbo increases the voltages beyond what I set it to.

One post you said there would be a bottleneck. I disagree with that post. Posting another post where you seem less sure doesn't take away from the original post.

There is not practical usage difference. My own benchmark showed a difference, albeit a small one. (If you actually payed attention you should already known that)

 

 

 

124 can be vring but it can also be vcore.

There is nothing wrong with the testing methods on my thread. You go on and on about my testing when you pick a guy who did one quick test with prime when it supports your opnion. Is that hypocrisy? And what exactly is wrong with my testing method? If my choice of benchmarks are OK, then what? They way I run it? The way I count time?

 

Until you've got NEW evidence, either where you prove my results are wrong, or where you prove it provides a boost in some real world application, making another 500 posts where you continue to repeat 'I'm ignoring your benchmarks' won't change anything. That's what we called spam. I too, can say you ignore my posts by spinning your words a bit. That's not going to get us anywhere.

 

Do you get CPUs to run SuperPi on your spare time? If so and the difference there is large enough for your taste, be my guest. Why is this sentence ignoring you? I'm stating exactly what your benchmarks show. If you think I'm ignoring it's because you know nobody does that.

 

 

By contrast, you can make all the analogies about wheels you want but it's completely without evidence, only guesses backed up by nothing. I have evidence. If you think, that raising Core speed will not increase speed one bit if uncore is at stock, you are WRONG.

WRONG.

That's what a bottleneck would entail. Even if it's not a bottleneck and it just affects performance by quite a bit, this should stall all Cinebench, chess, etc etc performance, am I right? Cl;early this is NOT the case. I am not the only one who has done this kind of test either.

 

 

So let's just make it real simple: In this thread if you want your claims about Uncore being important to be taken seriously, post more benchmarks for us to see rather than post more accusations of me ignoring you.

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The integrated voltage regulator applies LLC to the Vcore internally, which causes the actual voltage to float a little above the set voltage under load. It's normal, and there is pretty much nothing you can do about it, since it is done internal to the chip.

This has already been explained in the guide, where I recommended Hwinfo NOT CPUZ, Shenanigans.

Why you need other people to repeat what the original thread said is interesting to me.


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Hey, I'm curious.. Do these multiple bsod's have an affect on the hard drive? All of a sudden, my 1tb drive isn't showing up. Not even in bios. Since the overclocking began, he's multiple bsods, but does this actually damage anything? My system has been "repaired" numerous times for these bsods. I look at it earlier and the first thing I see is a window saying back up the drive cuz it may be damaged or something like that. Now my drive isn't showing up. I tried to back it up, and that failed to complete.
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Hey, I'm curious.. Do these multiple bsod's have an affect on the hard drive? All of a sudden, my 1tb drive isn't showing up. Not even in bios. Since the overclocking began, he's multiple bsods, but does this actually damage anything? My system has been "repaired" numerous times for these bsods. I look at it earlier and the first thing I see is a window saying back up the drive cuz it may be damaged or something like that. Now my drive isn't showing up. I tried to back it up, and that failed to complete.

Can you test the drive on some other computer to make sure the drive is working? So far I've had one guy say too many Bsods caused his computer to bsod more often on his overclocks, but no reports of a drive going missing. He said he was fixed by a reformat. But that would is an OS problem.

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Can you test the drive on some other computer to make sure the drive is working? So far I've had one guy say too many Bsods caused his computer to bsod more often on his overclocks, but no reports of a drive going missing. He said he was fixed by a reformat. But that would is an OS problem.

Yeah I still have my old custom build. I haven't tried yet. I guess I'll have to try that later too. Sheesh... Honestly.. I don't know why I didn't think of that first. Looks like I need to think before I ask questions lol.
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One post you said there would be a bottleneck. I disagree with that post. Posting another post where you seem less sure doesn't take away from the original post.
There is not practical usage difference. My own benchmark showed a difference, albeit a small one. (If you actually payed attention you should already known that)



124 can be vring but it can also be vcore.
There is nothing wrong with the testing methods on my thread. You go on and on about my testing when you pick a guy who did one quick test with prime when it supports your opnion. Is that hypocrisy? And what exactly is wrong with my testing method? If my choice of benchmarks are OK, then what? They way I run it? The way I count time?

Until you've got NEW evidence, either where you prove my results are wrong, or where you prove it provides a boost in some real world application, making another 500 posts where you continue to repeat 'I'm ignoring your benchmarks' won't change anything. That's what we called spam. I too, can say you ignore my posts by spinning your words a bit. That's not going to get us anywhere.

Do you get CPUs to run SuperPi on your spare time? If so and the difference there is large enough for your taste, be my guest. Why is this sentence ignoring you? I'm stating exactly what your benchmarks show. If you think I'm ignoring it's because you know nobody does that.


By contrast, you can make all the analogies about wheels you want but it's completely without evidence, only guesses backed up by nothing. I have evidence. If you think, that raising Core speed will not increase speed one bit if uncore is at stock, you are WRONG.
WRONG.
That's what a bottleneck would entail. Even if it's not a bottleneck and it just affects performance by quite a bit, this should stall all Cinebench, chess, etc etc performance, am I right? Cl;early this is NOT the case. I am not the only one who has done this kind of test either.


So let's just make it real simple: In this thread if you want your claims about Uncore being important to be taken seriously, post more benchmarks for us to see rather than post more accusations of me ignoring you.
This has already been explained in the guide, where I recommended Hwinfo NOT CPUZ, Shenanigans.
Why you need other people to repeat what the original thread said is interesting to me.

Hey. I discovered something this morning. When I had my uncore voltage set to "adaptive" it was running fine. (Stock uncore multi). When I changed it to "auto" I got bsod right after boot up. Still stock uncore. Looks like I have some more homework to do tonight lol.
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Whole discussions on uncore, i have this to add:
you will not notice any difference in performance such as gaming, encoding or even rendering. Nothing outputs such power as synthetics where CPU gets pushed to the above normal limits, and only there the difference can be observed. Example: x264 benchmark uses 40 watts less than latest Linx (on my 44x profile). Cinebench even less! I dont even think that every aspect of cpu gets pushed in such light applications.

In prime 2.81 or linx on the other hand uncore matters. In linpack is 3 gflops an average for 100MH clock, i observed a 7+ gflops win going from 36x to 44x uncore on the same clock and thats alot in AVX terms! Uncore voltages are even more important in synthetics. I can undervolt uncore by 0.05v and run x264 and game all day long, but then i start prime 2.81 i fail lots of fft's above 500k.

If anyone want to see the real difference in uncore run native linpack: http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-linpack-download
Linx interface can produce inaccurate gflops due to kernel times.
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Whole discussions on uncore, i have this to add:
you will not notice any difference in performance such as gaming, encoding or even rendering. Nothing outputs such power as synthetics where CPU gets pushed to the above normal limits, and only there the difference can be observed. Example: x264 benchmark uses 40 watts less than latest Linx (on my 44x profile). Cinebench even less! I dont even think that every aspect of cpu gets pushed in such light applications.

In prime 2.81 or linx on the other hand uncore matters. In linpack is 3 gflops an average for 100MH clock, i observed a 7+ gflops win going from 36x to 44x uncore on the same clock and thats alot in AVX terms! Uncore voltages are even more important in synthetics. I can undervolt uncore by 0.05v and run x264 and game all day long, but then i start prime 2.81 i fail lots of fft's above 500k.

If anyone want to see the real difference in uncore run native linpack: http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-linpack-download
Linx interface can produce inaccurate gflops due to kernel times.

I'm skipping Linx altogether.

 

Alright Shinenagans.

I'm running tests to back up my claims. I will be doing each type of tests 5 times per setting, SuperPi 8m, Chess 5m (Houdini 3 9mb hash, starting position), Cinebench, Enemy Territory (CPU bottlenecked game, more info on that later). I might do more but this takes a long time. Sit tight, be back in 24 hours.

 

Chess is a very CPU sensitive test and I know it pretty well. Simply opening Foobar while benching will disturb the result. Enemy Territory is actually BOTTLENECKED because the GPU is sitting there at like 5-10% usage while the CPU is yelling MAYDAY MAYDAY and tripling the GPU power won't increase FPS by tiny bit.

 

EDIT:

Oh yeah, and x264... A nonsynthetic CPU stress test which replicates rendering.


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x264 is a video encoder

The best one right now general purpose i believe. To be clear again i originally mentioned it because i was trying to actually use it for encoding fraps videos to my specifications and for livestreaming (OBS, xsplit, basically every good stream client i am aware of uses x264 to live encode) and it was destroying my overclocks, i could pass linpack without avx at 4.7 @1.29vcore, but needed like 0.03v more for x264 to run decently at all (and that was much much closer to 24/7 operation with no issues or wheas)
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Rendering encoding, I get those two mixed up. :thumb:

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XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
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14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
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Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
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Undelwalt (2017)
(29 items)
 
 
Celapaleis (2013)
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
Other
Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
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Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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