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Originally Posted by jameyscott View Post

I've passed x264, crashed in BF4 and then went and played BF3 for hours. It's a buggy mess. Granted, some people might have actual stability problems. My suggestion is go play an intense game that has been out for awhile to see if you're game stable.

Diablo 3 seems to be a good indicator for me. Especially on the GPU. I'm about to try it with my lowered core voltage with 4.2ghz multi. I know it's not a big deal to many of you.. But since I'm a noob to haswell oc, it is to me tongue.gif
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Nah.. BF3 is for old folks smile.gif Anyway, I did find stability. All BSOD were 124 (again, still have not seen one 101).

x264 is x44/x44 @ 1.265v and 1.23v.
BF4 is x44/x43 @ 1.28v and 1.21v.

It's possible that after the game matures, it's more "stable" at lower volts but for now that's what I need compared to x264.
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I'm skipping Linx altogether.

Alright Shinenagans.
I'm running tests to back up my claims. I will be doing each type of tests 5 times per setting, SuperPi 8m, Chess 5m (Houdini 3 9mb hash, starting position), Cinebench, Enemy Territory (CPU bottlenecked game, more info on that later). I might do more but this takes a long time. Sit tight, be back in 24 hours.

Chess is a very CPU sensitive test and I know it pretty well. Simply opening Foobar while benching will disturb the result. Enemy Territory is actually BOTTLENECKED because the GPU is sitting there at like 5-10% usage while the CPU is yelling MAYDAY MAYDAY and tripling the GPU power won't increase FPS by tiny bit.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and x264... A nonsynthetic CPU stress test which replicates rendering.

See, you don't really have to waste your time if you feel that it isn't going to show that much of a difference. You're hanging on to a post which was trying to explain a different point ( relating to timing errors and BSODs ). Also, this discussion started originally with me saying that the vRING needs to be increased a bit ( when increasing core voltage doesn't do jack ) in order to get stability.

If you want to run your benches and show your .0085% difference, then it's up to you. But if you're going to take the time out to do it for the benefit of everyone here ( which I'm sure is the reason you're doing it, in addition to showing me that it results in a .000001% difference ), include linpack and such please.

Also, when I left my uncore at stock, it would go up to 3.8Ghz but setting it to 3.3 or 3.5 should give you different results from 4.2Ghz uncore.
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There's no way at all to know for sure whether it's the OC failure or the game failing. It's kind of a coincidence for the game the x264 passed setting to only fail at BF4 so far. Until it's proven to crash on BF3 or some other game, then no, I'm discounting reports of BF4 crashing. (See my reply right after the quote under this). On top of that, the original x264 crash comment was about uncore OC, so even if it were true it'd hold x264 as a bad uncore stress. But I took off that line from my guide because it's not proven.

BF3 is still no slouch. I forgot who crashed with uncore OC, but try BF3, same settings, and report back please.

This crash was different from the others, normally just the game crashes but this time it actually BSODed...

But I see your point too it could STILL be connected to the game not the OC...

I'll just not make any assumptions for now then and wait and see whether this issue occurs and report back
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Any one got another bench test on this chip L313B329 ? this one is quite good.. hope to find this chip near me.

"Originally Posted by Javier. View Post
4770K 5Ghz 1.25v bios stable IntelBurnTest Watercooler Link http://imageshack.us/a/img833/9091/mx92.jpg

Batch: L313B329"


Here is my haswell 4770k L312B534 Batch number.

Patriot Viper 3 2133 11-11-11-30 @ 2400 11-12-12-30

Stable @ 4.6ghz/4.4ghz cache with 1.35v , Pass aida stress test i stop it at 2 hours 40 minutes. Pass Cinebech, pass 3dmark fire strike and pass cpumark 7.

This Chip can reach 4.8ghz * 1.4v but not stable at all in all test i try (cinebench,aida,linx), i never test go beyond 1.4v because of my cooling limitation only use corsair H50.







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Edited by soulbytes - 11/3/13 at 7:41am
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See, you don't really have to waste your time if you feel that it isn't going to show that much of a difference. You're hanging on to a post which was trying to explain a different point ( relating to timing errors and BSODs ). Also, this discussion started originally with me saying that the vRING needs to be increased a bit ( when increasing core voltage doesn't do jack ) in order to get stability.

If you want to run your benches and show your .0085% difference, then it's up to you. But if you're going to take the time out to do it for the benefit of everyone here ( which I'm sure is the reason you're doing it, in addition to showing me that it results in a .000001% difference ), include linpack and such please.

Also, when I left my uncore at stock, it would go up to 3.8Ghz but setting it to 3.3 or 3.5 should give you different results from 4.2Ghz uncore.

'See, you don't really have to waste your time if you feel that it isn't going to show that much of a difference.'

Irrelevent.

'You're hanging on to a post which was trying to explain a different point ( relating to timing errors and BSODs ). '

Irrelevent.

'Also, this discussion started originally with me saying that the vRING needs to be increased a bit ( when increasing core voltage doesn't do jack ) in order to get stability.'

Irrelevent.

'If you want to run your benches and show your .0085% difference, then it's up to you.'

Irrelevent. Of COURSE it's up to me.

'But if you're going to take the time out to do it for the benefit of everyone here ( which I'm sure is the reason you're doing it, in addition to showing me that it results in a .000001% difference ), include linpack and such please.'

I'm not including Linpack because 1) it's too hot and I'd have to lower my multiplier and you'd start screaming about how my multiplier is now that much closer to my uncore. You said Superpi is fine, so I friggin did superpi.

 

Dude. YOU said there will be significant observable changes.

Why are you so caught up on one detail? I shouldn't even have to do stupid Superpi to prove your stupid point. I'm about to completely blow up your unfounded claim on uncore. When you realize I won't leave your uncore performance claim unchallenged, you ask for proof without reading my first thread. Then I tell you to, you randomly say my charts didn't have enough tests without knowing how many times I've done the tests.  THEN you turn around and pick ONE GUY who did ONE TEST, ONCE for THIRTEY SECONDS and use THAT as your backup for your other point. Then you talk about outliers. There were no outliers. If there was an outlier that favored higher uncore you think you'd be all up on outliers? No.

 

Now I've picked SuperPi you're STILL whining and complaining. I can't give you the moon. Exactly how the hell Superpi Is going to affect gaming or encoding performance is well, beyond me because it's not. I swear, if I did Linpack you'll find some OTHER point to crap on. The fact of the matter is, you hate being wrong and you'll try everything, from picking bad evidence, to switching the subject like the first half of the post, to picking useless tests, to try to disprove me.

 

BTW, Superpi has the higher uncore with LESS of a lead than chess! See where your own benchmark gets you?

 

 

 

'Also, when I left my uncore at stock, it would go up to 3.8Ghz but setting it to 3.3 or 3.5 should give you different results from 4.2Ghz uncore.'

That's the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

I'm exaggerating your claim about uncore causing a difference! I'm DOUBLING the performance change FOR YOU! FOR FREE!

AND YOU'RE STILL COMPLAINING!

 

Oh riiiiiiight. I thought Superpi was your go-to benchmark for... oh right, now I've tested it and I can demonstrate the performance is 1%, all of a sudden superpi is a crappy stress test! As with every single benchmark I will now use! And YOU complain to ME about me not accepting YOUR chosen benchmarks! Not only do you not care about real world performance, you now stop caring about all synthetic benchmarks performance from Cinebench to Superpi. Seriously, people will do everything to try to convince themselves they are right. Where is my bottleneck?!


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Watching this thread closely ! Will be overclocking next weekend:thumb: Any pointers on where to start would be great!
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Watching this thread closely ! Will be overclocking next weekend:thumb: Any pointers on where to start would be great!

The OP.
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So let's recap:

With Uncore 800mhz under core, we see a:

Loss of 0.75% in chess.

Loss of 0.2% in multiplayer BF3

Win of 0.5% in BF3 Campaign (BTW the BF4 is actually BF3, typo.)

Loss of 0.82% in Cinebench.

Loss of 0.6% in x264 Bench

Loss of 0.39% in SuperPi

Loss of 1.2% in Enemy Territory

Win of 1.27% in Runescape

Win of 1% in Oblivion

Win of 8.72% in Oblivion

 

Testing method:

Chess: Houdini 3, 9mb hash, starting position.

BF3 Multi: 64 player, crowded server, regular gameplay for entire round (BTW, during second round where I test x42 uncore, a few people left and I camped a little more. Just saying.)

BF3 Campaign: Second misson, following scripted NPC movement.

Enemy Territory: 30 vs 30, Fueldump.

Runescape: GE, World 3. Capturing FPS will stationary. Max detail, non HTML5. x4 AA Bloom enabled. (It seems to use CPU to do AA)

Oblivion 1: Walk out in the wild, through Oblivion gate, to town gate.

Oblivion 2: NPC combat in Imperial City. Several guards/NPC vs Umbra. Spawn 50 player copies and begin combat once Umbra dies.

 

Can you even call this a clear lead? No. If so, barely. Let me take out the outlier. That's a win on average of 0.132%. For DOUBLE the uncore difference. In reality a stock uncore is x38. That makes the average win to be half of 0.132%. Aka 0.066%.

 

Awesome!

You've proven that by overclocking uncore from stock we can expect an increase of 0.066% in performance once I take out the outlier!

 

 

I never said 'don't OC uncore', I just said 'don't expect noticeable real world results'.

If 800mhz drop = 0.132% loss in performance, than 100mhz of uncore drop = 0.0165% decrease in performance.  Also note that the tests favors uncore as most of my benchmarks are CPU benchmarks solely. Superpi? Chess? Cinebench? Bf3 which we know uses lots of CPU, on a 64 player server? Superpi? X264? Enemy Territory, CPU bottleneck? Runescape, single thread CPU bottleneck? Oblivion, single threaded CPU bottleneck? I can't make it any easier for you. Had I tried Crysis or something like that... 

 

Oh, and let's just say, a win of 0.132% is within margin of error.

I used to say and still sat a change in performance of 3% is barely noticeable if it is ( that's like a core multipier increased by 1 ), but here we're dealing with numbers like 0.066%. Let's suppose I'm at 60 FPS. And I get 0.066% in performance. Do you know what FPS boost you'd get? 0.0396 FPS. Good luck seeing a FPS difference there. When we review GPUs sometimes we see a FPS difference of 5-10%. Compare that to 0.066%. That's not even 0.1%.

 

Let's be generous and say +1 core multiplier = 2% increase in performance in these benchmarks, instead of 3%. That makes +1 uncore impact by THREE TIMES that of of overclocking your uncore (more specifically, from 3.8 -> 4.2) entirely. That also makes +1 core about 12 times larger impact than +1 uncore.

 

If you think my benchmarks are unfair, then you're certified delusional. I purposefully picked CPU dependent workloads. The only thing I didn't run was Linpack to prevent thermal overload (and I tried it, and yes, CPU meltdown). If you think the omitting of ONE benchmark destroys the credibility of the chart, you're also delusional. There are 3 possibilities if I included Linpack:

1) Higher uncore DESTROYS lower uncore. It's an outlier. THROWN OUT like the Oblivion result.

2) Higher uncore is slightly faster than lower uncore. Difference too small. Result still stands.

3) Higher uncore is slower than lower uncore. You cry foul.

 

Of course there is a reason why you cling onto Linpack like a lifeboat, because it's the one bench I'm not doing. Superpi stopped mattering when I started using it. Outliers stopped mattering when you realize it can only benefit your point. More tests stopped mattering when I'm doing it. But the irony is, no matter what result I get, my final result STILL STANDS. And if you think Linpack represents real world performance, you are also delusional.

 

You can't have it both ways. Either I keep all outliers or I remove them. Assuming Linpack would be an outlier. Assuming.

Your arguments make no sense and you flip flop around your position after I prove each point to be false.

 

So please.

Just stop.

 

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Any one got another bench test on this chip L313B329 ? this one is quite good.. hope to find this chip near me.

"Originally Posted by Javier. View Post
4770K 5Ghz 1.25v bios stable IntelBurnTest Watercooler Link http://imageshack.us/a/img833/9091/mx92.jpg

Batch: L313B329"


Here is my haswell 4770k L312B534 Batch number.

Patriot Viper 3 2133 11-11-11-30 @ 2400 11-12-12-30

Stable @ 4.6ghz/4.4ghz cache with 1.35v , Pass aida stress test i stop it at 2 hours 40 minutes. Pass Cinebech, pass 3dmark fire strike and pass cpumark 7.

This Chip can reach 4.8ghz * 1.4v but not stable at all in all test i try (cinebench,aida,linx), i never test go beyond 1.4v because of my cooling limitation only use corsair H50.







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Ah ok, thanks,

well I guess the question is, is there a way to test stability for day to day use quickly?

I mean I run P95 first, often it BSODs after 30s. So that's a quick test.
Then IBT on Very High fails even when x264 passes so that's another quick test (5min)

The whole point being to rule out states where eventually, for example, after 30mins Prime95 will fail.
Gero:
What are the results of your stability test? You've only done one.

Edited by Darkwizzie - 11/3/13 at 12:54pm
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Question for you guys. How do you set your fan profiles when you stress test for stability? Is it acceptable to set all fans at 100% fan speed simply for stress testing since it puts it at a mostly unrealistic load and tune the fans for normal operating temps under 80C after?
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