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Any one got another bench test on this chip L313B329 ? this one is quite good.. hope to find this chip near me.

"Originally Posted by Javier. View Post
4770K 5Ghz 1.25v bios stable IntelBurnTest Watercooler Link http://imageshack.us/a/img833/9091/mx92.jpg

Batch: L313B329"


Here is my haswell 4770k L312B534 Batch number.

Patriot Viper 3 2133 11-11-11-30 @ 2400 11-12-12-30

Stable @ 4.6ghz/4.4ghz cache with 1.35v , Pass aida stress test i stop it at 2 hours 40 minutes. Pass Cinebech, pass 3dmark fire strike and pass cpumark 7.

This Chip can reach 4.8ghz * 1.4v but not stable at all in all test i try (cinebench,aida,linx), i never test go beyond 1.4v because of my cooling limitation only use corsair H50.







Cheers

His shot is of IBT without avx, an older version than i was using months ago. My 4.7ghz OC is rock solid with higher gflops than him (70 i believe) by ~1.285vcore or so, though it takes ~1.33 to pass x264 consistently. It's a bad stress test (linx without avx) and he's getting worse results than me while being 300mhz up
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Hey Darkwizzie,

ill fillout the form .. Thanks. Btw do you have any track record L313B329 ? Thanks. I just got mine.. Hopefuly i got lucky for my second build.

@cyro999

Ic .. Do you have the Same batch as him bro ? Thanks
Edited by soulbytes - 11/3/13 at 8:22pm
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Nah, mine is an L310B490, just saying that his test is not very conclusive and ibt-without-avx-stable (higher gflops than him at 4.7) was lasting a matter of minutes in the games i played (sc2, LoL), not hours
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Good you've wasted your time calling me delusional when was I originally said was that additional vRING was required for stability. Slick. It's not my fault you can read but not understand. I had clearly mentioned earlier that bottleneck or not ( where your tests have shown the latter ), additional vRING would be necessary for stability if upping the vCore didn't help. You went ahead and clung to the small bottleneck thing and went and wasted your time on it.

So basically, go back to my posts in the thread, read and think whether I'm "clinging" on to linpack and such. Also, if a particular stress test is stupid, you should probably tell reviewers and question them as to why they still use it.

As of right now, I'm done wasting my time responding to your posts about this, when you're clearly hung up on the wrong thing instead of something that would've helped people who couldn't get their setups stable. Also, if thinking calling me delusional is going to make your e-peen bigger and king of your own thread, by all means, please go ahead. Just saying, being a dick doesn't make you right; it just makes you a dick.

'So basically, go back to my posts in the thread, read and think whether I'm "clinging" on to linpack and such. '

Yea I do. You went on and on about how leaving out Superpi and Linpack is a stupid move and invalidates my results. And then after I did superpi you went on about linpack. So hell yeah, I do.

'Also, if a particular stress test is stupid, you should probably tell reviewers and question them as to why they still use it.'

I did.

 

I had clearly mentioned earlier that bottleneck or not ( where your tests have shown the latter ), additional vRING would be necessary for stability if upping the vCore didn't help. '

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So basically, you've ignored my post above completely. Not to mention my other post where I say there is a difference when you change the uncore. Like I said, whether the difference is practical or not, a difference is a difference. In whatever benchmark. See, when I show proof, much like you did in your charts, you just simply discount them. And then you say I'm calling out your testing methods in YOUR thread. I don't mind your benchmarks at all. I do believe uncore is app-dependent.

Also, just as an example, having a super high CPU speed with stock uncore to me, is like having a C63 AMG Black. There's so much power, but if it can't be transferred to the wheels which can grip the road ( or better still, use AWD ) it's really just wasted spinning the wheels and not really getting anywhere.

Also, I don't particularly care about the 1:1 myth. Mostly because I've always hit much higher speeds on the CPUs and I simply couldn't clock the NB to match.

Seem familiar? It should, because you said it.

But Darkwizzie, a difference is a difference! In whatever benchmark! Therefore uncore = important. Wut?


'As of right now, I'm done wasting my time responding to your posts about this, when you're clearly hung up on the wrong thing instead of something that would've helped people who couldn't get their setups stable.'

Ok, if you're done I don't expect you to quote this post in any way. I'm here to bust all myths I find. And if you're going to make bad car analogies to make uncore seem like a winner in performance, then no, best not let it slide. And if you're going to assert Vring causes higher stability with no evidence, no, that's not right. Remember how you went on about how I only ran each benchmark once, which was not true then and not true now? Well, I'm in the clear because it's not true. Ironically and hypocritically your only evidence is that of one guy who claimed a stability boost after one run.

 

'Also, if thinking calling me delusional is going to make your e-peen bigger and king of your own thread, by all means, please go ahead. Just saying, being a dick doesn't make you right; it just makes you a dick.'

Yes.

You're delusional on more than one account. One, for thinking you have evidence that increasing Vring will cause further stability when you have zero evidence. Two, for thinking there's a bottleneck. You can't just run into a thread and assert something is true. We can't just accept it. Same with uncore performance, same with Vring stability. Three, for thinking you have good evidence for either. You didn't even know why your CPU was drawing more power than what you set. That goes to show just how little you've played with Haswell before claiming to be righter than right.

:gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof::gotproof:

 

And being a dick makes one a dick? Gee thanks. I had no idea. Being wrong just makes you wrong.

This is my thread. Within the confines of the forum rules I want to shape the conversation how I want it. That starts by eliminating uncore performance myths and listing mere assertions as mere assertions, not fact.


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Yeah .. Mine is quite faster as well on the intel burn test time than him. Btw still hopefuly that batch can run 5.0ghz on water cooling.. Finger cross.. I just got mine today.
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Yeah, I'll be back in this thread once the bickering has stopped. These half-page responses are getting ridiculous. The moral of the story with Haswell is this: EVERY CHIP IS DIFFERENT!!! What works for one, might not work for another.
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Hey Darkwizzie,

ill fillout the form .. Thanks. Btw do you have any track record L313B329 ? Thanks. I just got mine.. Hopefuly i got lucky for my second build.

@cyro999

Ic .. Do you have the Same batch as him bro ? Thanks

Soulbytes, all of my data is on the first page for everybody to see. If you don't see L313 on there then I don't have any info on it.

 

 

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I'm using Aida64 and prime95 at the moment. I may pick up x264 since I feel like using a multitude of stress testing programs would only benefit in tuning for overall stability.

I've picked up an i5 4670k and Sabertooth z87 for a really good price at my local microcenter and have managed these settings with a hyper 212 EVO:
CPU Multiplier - 45
CPU Cache Min/Max - 34/34
DRam Frequency - 1333
Vcore Voltage - 1.25v
Vcore Input Voltage - 1.8v
DRam Voltage - 1.5v

x45 at 1.25v, not bad. That's average or better. Settings look fine.

BTW if you ever run x264 overnight and crash on a normal workload (read: Non-stress test), please make it your priority to notify me. We're trying to make sure a run overnight on x264 means utter stability as far as normal usage is concerned.

 

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Darkwizzie we have a rare one here. Someone actually read the guide before asking a question.... Thanks mate! biggrin.gif 

:thumb: 

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Yeah, I'll be back in this thread once the bickering has stopped. These half-page responses are getting ridiculous. The moral of the story with Haswell is this: EVERY CHIP IS DIFFERENT!!! What works for one, might not work for another.

Good news: Shenanigans promised to drop it.

 

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Yeah .. Mine is quite faster as well on the intel burn test time than him. Btw still hopefuly that batch can run 5.0ghz on water cooling.. Finger cross.. I just got mine today.

Well the average OC so far is 4.55ghz. So 5 is considerbly higher than 4.55. Much higher.

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Question for you guys. How do you set your fan profiles when you stress test for stability? Is it acceptable to set all fans at 100% fan speed simply for stress testing since it puts it at a mostly unrealistic load and tune the fans for normal operating temps under 80C after?
That's fine... if you're using a synthetic. A non-synthetic like Chess or x264 will push temps close or at the highest your CPU will get on normal operation.

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PS:

Despite my heated posts earlier I'd still like to mention that these two things are on my agenda/watchlist:

 

1) To make sure that a x264 overnight run results in NO bsods in normal operation in any way due to unstable CPU overclock.

 

2) To falsify or verify that a Vring boost is required for higher Core multiplier despite having stock Ring bus in order to maintain or promote stability.

 

No seriously, if there's overwhelming evidence I have no choice but to change my mind and I appreciate it if you've got important data for either point. Data as in, evidence, not speculation. If, for the love of god, should 1 or 2 turn out to be true, then I have to swallow my pride but I'd do it knowing at the time I was sure there was no serious evidence against my beliefs.

 

I don't apologize the argument took place but I apologize it took place out in the thread, not in PM.


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Well, the EK-FC terminal won't be here until mid-week. So I just added a piece of tubing between the radiators until then.. My CPU is going to love a 60MM 360 and 240 all to itself. tongue.gif Let the quest to 5.0 commence! I can throw any voltage at it!!!!
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