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So you are saying my multimeter is wrong?

No, of course I'm not saying that. You know what I said and it wasn't argumentative. If you can show multimeter or post a screenshot from someone who has done it then I'm wrong, that's all there is to it.
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hey guys, i got a question, i'm running an I5 4670k 3.4 GHz on an msi z87-GD65 mobo, so far i can only get an OC of 4.3 @ 1.29 vcore to be somewhat stable, prime 95 crashes after about 40 min and ive been told not to exceed 1.3 vcore, any tips fellas?

Yup, have a read through this thread.thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by error-id10t View Post

No, of course I'm not saying that. You know what I said and it wasn't argumentative. If you can show multimeter or post a screenshot from someone who has done it then I'm wrong, that's all there is to it.

Edit: Okay, I'll erase what I wrote first and just say this - I was also skeptical when this first came up in July and people were telling me what I'm now saying, so I can understand why you'd also be skeptical. I, and others, have tested it with a multimeter, so unless there is something wrong with the way the voltage measurement points show the Vcore, which I admit is possible, then it does go that low. But when I get home from dinner tonight I'll try to figure out a way to take a picture of the multimeter so we can put this to rest.

But just know that my 290 is coming tonight - so you are taking away from my playtime. smile.gif
Edited by Forceman - 11/6/13 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Warl0rdPT View Post

1) Yes I'm on air, what is your advice to test instead of Aida FPU?
2) My default SA is very low (0.8v)
3) done
4) done

I'm now testing with OCCT Linpack, so far so good (18m)

Thanks for the tips
OCCT caused BSOD with the settings:
core multi: 43X
cpu cache: 35X
manual cpu core voltage: 1.22v
manual cache voltage: 1.15v
mems at JEDEC 1333MHz 1.5v
cpu input voltage: 1.8v

frown.gif

Tomorrow I'll try cache voltage 1.18v, what else can I try (besides bumping cpu core to 1.3)?
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Originally Posted by kinzx View Post

Hi all, been awhile , just had 2 kids so not much time but I been checking in and read every page in this thread ( 2 kids = lots of time staring at screen feeding lolzx.). Anyway I just wanted to add an update to my result. I submitted one awhile back with pictures and been working to tweak the uncore and memory.

Dark I think you have my cpu listed as 4670k but it is 4770k and I also think your chip scale pretty similar to mind up to 4.6 ghz.

Anyway, my results after almost 2 months.

Username:kinzx
CPU Model:4770k
Core Multiplier:45
CPU VID: 1.263-1.267
Vcore: 1.265
Input Voltage:1.85
Uncore Multiplier:42
Uncore Voltage:1.16
Cooling Solution:H100
Stability Test: 10 run xtu benchmark, 12 hours xtu, 10 run x264 64 bits run, Folding 10 hours.
Batch Number: L307B239 Malay
Ram Speed: Team Xtreem Dark 1866 XMP 9,11,9,27

I was also able to get it stable at 4.6 ghz, 1.36 vcore with all other setting the same. Heat was horrible as I was getting into mid 90s in xtu and x264 but never crash just freeze. Gaming, rendering and doing what I generally do I have no problem at all. I had it on 4.6 ghz for 2 weeks with no issue but scale it back to 4.5 ghz due to my fear of damaging my chip with 1.36 volt going through it and watching temp spike to low to mid 90 when under load. I figure I can probably raise vcore to run these stress test but my cooling is not up to par to add more voltage.

Now to some questions and observation. I think it is pretty normal for the vcore voltage to either go up or down .02 but anyone know of a way how I can maybe stabilize it more on an MSI mpower board, regular mpower not mpower max if that makes any difference. I know on asus you got llc control and I remember on my z77 gigabyte there were some setting that does it but I don't seem to find anything similar on MSI. Should I even care too much about it anyway?

My computer also does something very weird , everytime I overclock it, after a few days it will just shut down and reboot with failed overclock error after a cold boot. I saw 2 others member with this issue and one say disconnecting the power cable from the psu solved it, so I did and it haven't happened again. I get no blue screen, in bluescreenviewer there is no error code or message and in event viewer it also does not show any error beside all zero values for the report. Anyone else having issue or is this isolated to a few board? I know the oc is stable because I use it to render for hours, fold and watch tons of Netflix and XBMC and if I don't turn it off, it doesn't happen. So very unlikely it is a "failed overclock."

About my 4.6 oc. I know it is probably safe but would anyone really run 1.36 volt 24/7 even though in everyday use I saw absolutely no difference. However, it does wonder for my benchmark, over 10 point in cinebench 11.5 , 16000 in geekbench 3 and around 1150 on xtu. Since my issue is heat, this h100 I got I always gotten below average cooling from it, can anyone confirm if I will see any improvement going custom watercool? If so any idea around how much improvement in temp I can expect? That is if anyone switch out an AIO for custom and have experience in this. Delid is out of the question, I can do it but then wife will give me hell for taking apart a 300$ chip and losing my warranty.

I been playing with uncore and voltage a lot trying to test 4.5 ghz and getting a 1:1 ratio. I already know that 1:1 is not important and in my own test I found that 42x uncore was the best for my chip. 42 uncore gave the best number where 1:1 on 45 ghz drop my score in cinebench 11.5 by about 1.5 point, went from 9.85 to like around 8.25. It drop my geekbench3 score from 15000 to around 13500. So having 1:1 might not be advisable performance wise. For 1:1 at 4.5 ghz my uncore voltage needed 1.255 which I was not comfortable with. At 42 uncore I needed 1.16. 43 uncore and higher I needed more uncore voltage and saw that it did add heat just a little while doing nothing to performance.

However and this is what I find peculiar is that the higher my oc, the higher I needed some more voltage for the uncore even at stock 35 speed. I can leave everything at auto and just change the ratio to 43 and boot everything up normal and run stable as a rock. I was ok with auto and/or setting uncore to 1.15 until I hit 4.5 multi. My chip from stock to 43x mulit 1.2 volt while 35 uncore i can leave at auto or set 1.15. At 45 muilti I needed 1.26 but needed 1.265 to run xtu over 8 hours ( it crash literally 5 minutes pass 8 hours at 1.26) , x264 and folding. Even at 35 uncore I needed to up the uncore voltage to 1.16 to get 4.5 and 1.18 to get 4.6, 1.19 and 1.195 crash my computer at 4.6 but 1.8 and 2.0 was ok for 4.6, weird. I don't know exactly if it is due to how much more my chip needed vcore because going to 4.5 I needed 1.265 volt and 4.6 I needed 1.36 volt to be stable.


It seem with my chip at least, finding the right voltage is very critical not only for stability but also performance. I put 1.27to 1.29 through it and got lower number in xtu,cinebench and geekbench. I think it might be due to heat, it was getting much hotter and I just have this hunch that the heat was lowering my benchmark scores.

As for memory, going from 1333 to 1866 I got WHEA error and upping the input volt from 1.8 to 1.85 solved it. I got my memory to boot as high as 2400 but the timing was just too loose. It was 13,15,13,35 at 2400 if I remember correctly. Are those timing normal since I am pushing it from xmp 1866 to 2400? I was getting score that were a bit better than 1866, 2133 was the highest where 2400 was lower than even 1866 but I am guessing this is because of the loose timing. Anyone have any pointer to it. I will be looking at the memory oc thread but figure maybe someone has a quick pointer.

P.S. My test only apply to my chip, your chip can be different.

 

About the phantom Bsod:
Have never heard of it. o.o

Regarding to 1:1... Most likely is because the gain in performance is so small, your benchmark can't pick it up and the margin of error is way larger than the performance gain.

You say heat is lowering your scores. What type of heat are we talking here? 60c? 80c? 90c?

Results charted.

Grats on OC. Updated.

 

Oh, and if your CPU scales like mine, no way you're going to get x46 stable like that (which you probably already know). x46 will require some serious acrobatics. I managed to get some sort of stability now with 2.15Vring and 1.42 vCore and 1.28 vRing.

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Prime95 crashed after 7 hours on Blend with these settings:

CPU Multiplier - 45
CPU Cache Min/Max - 34/34
DRam Frequency - 1600mhz 9-9-9-24
Vcore Voltage - 1.25v
Vcore Input Voltage - 1.85v
DRam Voltage - 1.5v

Probably going to invest in some watercooling to keep it extra cool and not be afraid to up the voltage. Dual radiators, here I come! biggrin.gif
So right now this cpu clock is 17 hours aida64, 20 runs of x264, and 6 hours of prime95 stable. I suppose that's okay for now? Let me know what you guys think.

How are you throttling at 1.25v? I was doing XTU, OCCT, Prime at 1.35v no problemo on air. Yes you probably need more Vcore but I don't see why you need to bust out the big guns already unless you've got Evo or stock cooler.

 

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Originally Posted by Warl0rdPT View Post

I was very unlucky with my chip, I can't even reach 4.3GHz!

core multi: 43X
cpu cache: 39X
manual cpu core voltage: 1.22v
manual cache voltage: 1.25v
VCCSA: +0.25
mems at JEDEC 1333MHz 1.5v
cpu input voltage: 1.85v

temps around 92º, BSOD after a few minutes of aida64 FPU

I can't increase voltage because of the temps (it will start throttling)

What else can I do?

You need to follow the guide first. And uh, use a different stress test or a different aida setting.

 

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Originally Posted by Menphisto View Post

I'm back and i used my PC Like i normally do !!!! xD
Got 2 bsods in 3 days ....jayy..
I think i overrated my chip...now stable @ 1,25v 4,5Ghz will test prime and x264 stability at the weekend...and i just Tuner my cooling a bit biggrin.gif now Idle temp 27C and maximum gaming 55C

Bsods from what?

 

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Why should cache voltage not be higher than core?

 

I have not seen a case yet where it's even required. Your cache won't be higher or even at your core multiplier, yet it needs more voltage? And the uncore voltage is generally considered to have a smaller range of safe voltages, therefore meaning 1) The OCer left core at a low voltage. Questionably low core OC then 2) OCer made uncore voltage too high, unsafe.

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hey guys, i got a question, i'm running an I5 4670k 3.4 GHz on an msi z87-GD65 mobo, so far i can only get an OC of 4.3 @ 1.29 vcore to be somewhat stable, prime 95 crashes after about 40 min and ive been told not to exceed 1.3 vcore, any tips fellas?

If uncore is at stock and input voltage is not at some stupid setting, then go for higher than 1.3 vcore. If temps are biting and you still want to continue, you're forced to use something other than prime to stress.

 

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OCCT caused BSOD with the settings:
core multi: 43X
cpu cache: 35X
manual cpu core voltage: 1.22v
manual cache voltage: 1.15v
mems at JEDEC 1333MHz 1.5v
cpu input voltage: 1.8v

frown.gif

Tomorrow I'll try cache voltage 1.18v, what else can I try (besides bumping cpu core to 1.3)?

Probably nothing.

You can change stress test used to allow for more voltage. 

 

I don't know what stress test or cooling you guys are running but you guys are flinching at a low voltage already.

 

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From now on batches will list "Malay" or "Costa" if the info is known.

Voltage parameters section cleaned up.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 11/6/13 at 5:48pm
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I'm currently seeing temps above 85c with an EVO when running prime 95 and slightly less for x264. IBT hits over 90 but I don't use that stress test to determine stability.
I'm primarily concerned about acoustics with overclocking potential second. I've always wanted to go in to liquid cooling, though, from a hobby perspective. It's more of a want than a necessity. There's really no rationalizing it. biggrin.gif
Edited by filphil - 11/6/13 at 6:54pm
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Darkwizzie these are my settings...

Core Multi 44 fixed mode
Vcore 1.295 manual
Ring Ratio 42 manual
Vring 1.195 manual
VCIN 1.785 auto ( if i remember correctly )

i'm really new at this and my head is starting to spin with all the acronyms and trying to understand when in increase something or change another setting and stuff, i'm not even sure i'm going about this right lol, ive read the guide and dude said don't touch uncore, leave it stock then later in the guide he said to change it ( with no real method of figuring out what its supposed to be set at, just mess with it if you want ), will i did and i haven seen any improvement x.x and at this voltage im starting to get into the high 80C low 90C range under max load in prime ( 44-55C idle) ( might be pushing my limit with my current cooler? ) also ive read some acronyms for some stress tests, what would you recommend using cuz i have no clue what to use, alot of posters use prime so thats what i picked :/

*btw HWMonitor reports my vcore already at 1.3 ( have set it to 1.295 in bios)
Edited by NovaProspect - 11/6/13 at 7:03pm
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I'm currently seeing temps above 85c with an EVO when running prime 95 and slightly less for x264. IBT hits over 90 but I don't use that stress test to determine stability.
I'm primarily concerned about acoustics with overclocking potential second. I've always wanted to go in to liquid cooling, though, from a hobby perspective. It's more of a want than a necessity. There's really no rationalizing it. biggrin.gif

Well then by all means go for it then.

 

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Darkwizzie these are my settings...

Core Multi 44 fixed mode
Vcore 1.295 manual
Ring Ratio 42 manual
Vring 1.195 manual
VCIN 1.785 auto ( if i remember correctly )

i'm really new at this and my head is starting to spin with all the acronyms and trying to understand when in increase something or change another setting and stuff, i'm not even sure i'm going about this right lol, ive read the guide and dude said don't touch uncore, leave it stock then later in the guide he said to change it ( with no real method of figuring out what its supposed to be set at, just mess with it if you want ), will i did and i haven seen any improvement x.x and at this voltage im starting to get into the high 80C low 90C range under max load in prime ( 44-55C idle) ( might be pushing my limit with my current cooler? ) also ive read some acronyms for some stress tests, what would you recommend using cuz i have no clue what to use, alot of posters use prime so thats what i picked :/

I wrote the guide so the 'dude' in the guide is me, lol.

Set your uncore to stock. Keep it there until you're done with the core. OCing uncore is like core basically. If it's too high, it crashes. That means you up Vring or you settle for a lower uncore speed. But the impact is small on performance so deal with core first. (Among other reasons)

 

Are you stable at that setting? Your Vccin seems fine, little low. If you want to go further than x44 (or stabilize 44 if you're *still* not stable) I might go to 1.85 or 1.95v on it though, and then at the same time up the Vcore to 1.35v. My current stance is, you can ditch Prime and go with x264 as your stress test. Temps are not as crazy and the temps you see there is what you get (at most) during normal computer usage. So loop x264 overnight and if you pass, you're stable. Even XTU is not as hot as Prime (IIRC) and XTU is a synthetic. Once you're out of temperature headroom doing x264, THEN your only options are to give up, delid, or get better cooling.

 

I don't know your cooler.


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its an air cooler mmmm the cooler master hyper n520 and thanks dude tongue.gif ill try the new setting and stress test and see how it goes

* and no i'm not really stable at 4.4 still working on that one lol
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But just know that my 290 is coming tonight - so you are taking away from my playtime. smile.gif

No rush, enjoy the toy and when you get a chance then do it.

Now to a question. What exactly does enabling SVID do? What I see at my end is that XTU and HWInfo can now read TDP correctly AND it removes VCCIN / Input Voltage option from BIOS with HWInfo reporting it as ~1.8v. That 1.8v is more than I had before but it's a good even number for now so I can't see a negative here.
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