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It's just not that good for finding instability, only for producing heat.


which test would you recommend for instability?
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Member try and keep your uncore/ring bus ratio to within 300mhz or so...for example 4.5ghz with uncore of 4.2ghz this keep from any bottlenecking.

There may be slight "bottleknecking", but only under extreme CPU loads is it really apparent, or measurable. Changing the uncore ratio from 38 to 44 wont change your FPS in any games, and it won't change your 3D Mark 11 or Cinebench score much either. It does however make a difference while running the Linpack benchmark though, and going from 3.8 to 4.2 GHz uncore on my 4.6 GHz OC netted me 12 extra GFlops for the same equation. I went through a bunch of archived stress test screenshots and found OCs of 4.5 and 4.6 set to the same uncore of 38. The difference in speed between the two was minimal, 2 GFlops. The 4.5 was clocked at an average of 198 GFlops, and 4.6 was 200 GFlops while solving the exact same equation set. Then I checked a recent benchmark of 4.6 but with an uncore ratio of 42, it got 212 GFlops while running the same equation size. So a higher uncore can technically make an OC faster, but only while using it's full potential. You won't notice the difference much in real world day to day usage however, and a lower uncore can help to stabilize your OC a bit or help you set your initial OC voltage first.

All of the following values were measured using a control data set of 20,000 X 20,000;

Here is 4.5 GHz with an uncore of 3.8 GHz (198 GFlops) Larger Photo

Here is 4.6 GHz with an uncore of 3.8 GHz (200 GFlops) Larger Photo

Here is 4.6 GHz with an uncore of 4.2 GHz (212 GFlops) Larger Photo

Edited by BangBangPlay - 8/10/13 at 9:07pm
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which test would you recommend for instability?

Aida64 and Prime95 are the most well rounded, you can test the entire system which is how you will be using it.

I like how Aida let's you even test the GPU at the same time.
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Aida64 and Prime95 are the most well rounded, you can test the entire system which is how you will be using it.

I like how Aida let's you even test the GPU at the same time.

ill check em out, thanks biggrin.gif
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There may be slight "bottleknecking", but only under extreme CPU loads is it really apparent, or measurable. Changing the uncore ratio from 38 to 44 wont change your FPS in any games, and it won't change your 3D Mark 11 or Cinebench score much either. It does however make a difference while running the Linpack benchmark though, and going from 3.8 to 4.2 GHz uncore on my 4.6 GHz OC netted me 12 extra GFlops for the same equation. I went through a bunch of archived stress test screenshots and found OCs of 4.5 and 4.6 set to the same uncore of 38. The difference in speed between the two was minimal, 2 GFlops. The 4.5 was clocked at an average of 200 GFlops, and 4.6 was 202 GFlops while solving the exact same equation set. Then I checked a recent benchmark of 4.6 but with an uncore ratio of 42, it got 212 GFlops while running the same equation size. So a higher uncore can technically make an OC faster, but only while using it's full potential. You won't notice the difference much in real world day to day usage however, and a lower uncore can help to stabilize your OC a bit or help you set your initial OC voltage first.

All of the following values were measured using a control data set of 20,000 X 20,000;

Here is 4.5 GHz with an uncore of 3.8 GHz (198 GFlops) Larger Photo

Here is 4.6 GHz with an uncore of 3.8 GHz (200 GFlops) Larger Photo

Here is 4.6 GHz with an uncore of 4.2 GHz (212 GFlops) Larger Photo

great data, thanks for taking the time to test it for us.
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great data, thanks for taking the time to test it for us.

No worries, I was surprised at the result. I fortunately had the screen shots saved from nearly every test I do in case I need to check anything. I actually thought it would be much closer than it was.

I recently bumped my uncore up to 42 because I had finalized my initial 4.6 OC, and wasn't sure whether to keep it there or go back to 38. 4.2 uncore needed a little extra core voltage to remain stable along with a bump in uncore voltage of course. So it is true that lower uncore can help lower the core voltage necessary and raise stability. Seeing that I put the time and energy into stressing and fine tuning it I will likely leave it at 42 despite it likely offering small performance gains.
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Aida64 and Prime95 are the most well rounded, you can test the entire system which is how you will be using it.

I like how Aida let's you even test the GPU at the same time.

IBT is a good quick stability test though, I don't normally test for hours on end & IBT can fail in minutes where it may take prime 95 or Aida hours to find instability.

I'm trying aida right now, been running almost an hour at settings which failed IBT at the 3rd pass, 4 1/2 minutes in.
    
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Member try and keep your uncore/ring bus ratio to within 300mhz or so...for example 4.5ghz with uncore of 4.2ghz this keep from any bottlenecking.

If you've read my original post you would have seen countless benchmarks proving the opposite. No such bottleneck exists. If you have extensive evidence proving me wrong though I will have to reassess the situation. But I've done multiple tests myself, and so have others and we've reached our consensus.

 

Cinebench is Cinebench, it uses the CPU a lot. Chess is solely CPU, it uses all cores to 100% the entire time, nonstop. There is no greater realistic usage scenario. The dropping of almost a gigahertz of uncore only lowered performance equivalent to a decrease of core clock by 500mhz. If instead, you decide to overclock and keep a 1:1 ratio or maybe even just have your uncore 300mhz under your core clock, your core clock could suffer and that will make a larger performance hit than any increase in uncore can make up.

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okay tried 4.9 with 1.25v, crashed half way through intel burn test. I upped the volts to 1.3 and it ran fine again, didnt take a pic because the temps were almost 100c and im just focusing on stable at 1.25 for now, when i delid then ill push again.

so, 4.8 for now for me smile.gif

About your one post with a question on uncore. I assume when you overclock your core clock, you had uncore manually set to stock. If not, consider reading the original post to see why that might be a good idea. If you check your auto setting and it displays an overclocked uncore, set it to stock manually. Once you're done with core overclocking go ahead and work on uncore but do not expect a performance boost greater than equivalent of 500mhz increase in core clock unless you have one of the better chips. Also, I do not recommend exceeding 1.3 or 1.35v for your uncore voltage.

 

Regarding Ryude's recommendation for Aida64: Keep in mind, Aida64 is less intensive than Prime95.

Please reply again when you've hit your final or close to your final overclock, so I can enter it to my data sheet (original post).

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Never thought i would see the day where an H100i is insufficient for a simple 4.5 ghz overclock on reasonable volts blinksmiley.gif

All depends on what stress you're planning to run, and what voltage.  I believe IBT and Linpack are the hotter of the bunch.

I'm on 1.385 on air. I even touched 1.512v on air... although I got a little close to throttling during chess.

I talked a little bit about uncore performance int he first quote of this post, you might be interested.
 
Your entry in my datasheet has been update with your new settings.
 
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Guys, the original post and indeed this entire thread was original made for my guide. Many questions are already answered, and if you find something not covered do bring it to my attention.

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where can i find the avx2 supported linx or intel burn test?
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