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This guide has been helpful so far, but this is all extremely confusing for a first time overclocker. As of right now all I have done is change the Core Voltage to 1.235 and the multiplier to 43. It boots up and is Prime stable for an hour. Is there anything else I should change? I don't get the whole Uncore thing. I'm using a Maximus VI Gene and an i5 4670K, so I think Uncore is translated to CUP Cache in the bios. However, I don't really see any way to change the multiplier for it, although the voltage option is there. Can anyone with the Asus rog bios help me out?

IIRC for Asus mobos uncore is listed as cache ratio. Asus ROG boards have a huge amount of options so choosing such a mobo one probably has come to expect these types of issues. Uncore is like a seperate frequency, but affects performance much less. At your current low Vcore, 1.235v, you're fine, push higher if you wish for higher core multipliers. All the other settings start to matter once you're hitting higher Vcore and higher overclocks.

 

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I got a 3b bsod... could this be memory oc related?

Possibly. Reset OC from memory, running at stock and if you still get 3b then we have to reconsider.

 

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That was actually a very good question. i don't think we had a good discussion yet about uncore voltage and why it should be set the way we setting it. For me I just know setting uncore volt at the same as vcore or higher bsod or my computer won't post. I am open to this discussion and I am interested in what other are doing to uncore. This is one part of haswell that I think really is new and hasn't been touch on much.

BTW my setting for 4.6 is vccin 1.85, vcore 1.36, memory at 1866 dram volt at 1.65 and ring volt at 1.17 with uncore at 42. So Cyro999 you were correct about my setting. But I did play with it as high as 2.0 and work my way down. I had it that low because I am under the impression that VCCIN also add a little bitt o heat and I am trying to find the lowest volt I can run and maintain some stability.

I want to work on the heat issue and then I really would like to do some serious stress test at 4.6. Maybe beat Dark to stable 4.6 tongue.gif or blow up the chip trying. If one thing I am sure about this chip, it is hot hot hot. devil.gif


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Edit with pic on how hot it get just standing around WoW doing nothing

Uncore doesn't really matter for performance so there's not much incentive to care when some are still struggling with getting a higher core overclock.

 

I've still yet to Bsod @ 4.6 due to a non-stress test application. (I'll consider chess as "non-stress-test")

 

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I just ran the windows memory diagnostic. First time I ever get this bsod code, and I was running a virtual machine which uses quite a lot of ram. I'm still not sure, 3b code isn't very well documented, but I'm going to bump memory voltage by 0.025.

Nobody in 5000 posts has reported a 3b. wackosmiley.gif 

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Are you leaving uncore dropped when OC'ing core?

Well I had it at 3.9 ghz earlier with 1.18v, but after dropping it to 3.4, it just auto OCs to 4 because Gigabyte boards like doing that.
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IIRC for Asus mobos uncore is listed as cache ratio. Asus ROG boards have a huge amount of options so choosing such a mobo one probably has come to expect these types of issues. Uncore is like a seperate frequency, but affects performance much less. At your current low Vcore, 1.235v, you're fine, push higher if you wish for higher core multipliers. All the other settings start to matter once you're hitting higher Vcore and higher overclocks.

So only changing the Vcore and multiplier is perfectly safe at these voltages? Would trying to push up to 1.3ish for a 4.4-4.5 oc require anything else?

Also, it seems that my bios is applying some extra voltage to what I enter for some reason. For example, I enter 1.235 and it goes to 1.2750 or something similar. Also, CPU-Z shows a Core Voltage of 1.264. Any advice or irregularities here?
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So only changing the Vcore and multiplier is perfectly safe at these voltages? Would trying to push up to 1.3ish for a 4.4-4.5 oc require anything else?

Also, it seems that my bios is applying some extra voltage to what I enter for some reason. For example, I enter 1.235 and it goes to 1.2750 or something similar. Also, CPU-Z shows a Core Voltage of 1.264. Any advice or irregularities here?

No.

The guide already such a behavior and it is observed across all mobos. That's just the way it is.

 

About the 4.5-4.5, it varies based on CPU but yeah. Typically at 1.3v, maybe 1.85v input voltage might help a bit, but it's not a big deal. What happens a lot of the time is, you hit a point where going one multiplier means upping voltage by a large amount, and even then achieving shaky stability. That's when people like me are running around tweaking settings, when in reality I can just drop the multiplier by 1 and achieve perfect stability.

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No.
The guide already such a behavior and it is observed across all mobos. That's just the way it is.

About the 4.5-4.5, it varies based on CPU but yeah. Typically at 1.3v, maybe 1.85v input voltage might help a bit, but it's not a big deal. What happens a lot of the time is, you hit a point where going one multiplier means upping voltage by a large amount, and even then achieving shaky stability. That's when people like me are running around tweaking settings, when in reality I can just drop the multiplier by 1 and achieve perfect stability.

Great! Thanks for the answers +1!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but most 4770k chips clock better at lower voltages than 4670k chips and I've seen this on hwbot as well. The binning might explain why it's harder to get 4670k chips stable beyond a certain speed without requiring ridiculous amounts of voltage.

Sadly I can't seem to find any reference anywhere for my stepping ie L314B297 so this batch must have just come to India :S.

I may have to work from scratch.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but most 4770k chips clock better at lower voltages than 4670k chips and I've seen this on hwbot as well. The binning might explain why it's harder to get 4670k chips stable beyond a certain speed without requiring ridiculous amounts of voltage.

Sadly I can't seem to find any reference anywhere for my stepping ie L314B297 so this batch must have just come to India :S.

I may have to work from scratch.

That's what I'd assume, but the HWbot numbers show on average a higher OC on 4670k when comparing air and a higher OC on 4770k when comparing liquid cooling. It kind of evens it out in my eyes.

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That's interesting. I was just checking out this page for my stepping and was just skimming over the general speeds and voltages.
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It looks like I can boot up at 4.4GHz and 1.31v, with initial Prime95 looking good. However, temps are maxing at 96C at that point. Should I just drop it back down to 4.3 or would this probably be okay for real world applications (ie gaming)?
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It looks like I can boot up at 4.4GHz and 1.31v, with initial Prime95 looking good. However, temps are maxing at 96C at that point. Should I just drop it back down to 4.3 or would this probably be okay for real world applications (ie gaming)?

You'll be fine for general usage. However, you should switch to x264 testing because you'll see real world temps and be stable for gaming etc
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