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LLC setting is compensating for Vdroop on the VRIN (input voltage to IVR)

It's important particularly at high overclocks where you can draw twice as much power as near-stock settings, and stability is more sensitive to having correct settings.

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Why my MSI board shows 1,2vring as dangerous Ehen everyone here says 1,2v is really safe? Should i go down for 24/7 usage?
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^I'm not sure what's up with that - if you want to be cautious, just stay at 1.15 set. Uncore 40x vs 44x got my cinebench r15 score from ~948 to ~952 when i was trying to break 950 @4.5ghz (with really aggressive ram settings etc) so it's almost nothing in pretty much all cases
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Why my MSI board shows 1,2vring as dangerous Ehen everyone here says 1,2v is really safe? Should i go down for 24/7 usage?

Over 1.2V can still be safe, where they turn red is just a guideline, like the way intel says 1.5V +/- 0.75 for vdimm now, yet every intel desktop platform made is fine with 1.65V + memory.
    
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So what would you run 24/7 ?!
43x @ 1,2v
42x @ 1,16v
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On my board, i have a setting that runs 8x idle, 40x load. I use that @~1.18v most of the time, but sometimes manual ~44-46x @~1.25-1.3v for tiny bench advantages
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Why my MSI board shows 1,2vring as dangerous Ehen everyone here says 1,2v is really safe? Should i go down for 24/7 usage?

We've been over this.

If you don't trust my guide, then don't associate yourself with a thread that revolves around said guide.

 

1.2v is FINE.

Look at the list of people who have over 1.2v Vring.

Your mobo also says past 1.3v vcore is red.

Look at the list of people who have over 1.3v Vcore.

 

A mobo gives you guidelines but is NOT AT ALL a positive indicator of what is or isn't safe.

If you're so inclined to follow guidelines, try the official Intel rep's: Nothing past 1.2v Vcore. Good luck overclocking with that.
 

You're posting the same thing over and over again.

 

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Hey everyone,
Im pretty new to OCing and may need some assistance finding safe settings for my pc. I've read alot of guides out there and this one seems the most helpfull so far so thank you for that.

System specs:
I5 4670k
hyper 212 evo
evga 750w ps
msi 287-g45 mobo
2x 4gb corsair pro vengeance
Air cooling 5 fans

1st and foremost I have a bad chip. For the past week or so ive been trying to get 4.2 stable and have been messing with settings with ring bus set 200mhz below cpu clock. I recieved random bsod even on low cpu usage at vcore 1.24, 1.25, 1.26 all with 3b error code. I also had 1866 xmp profiles enabled at the time of these bsod.

I read this guide and a couple of posts and set my mobo to default settings ddr3 1600 frequency and set ring to stock 38 and left voltage on auto. Bsod on 4.2 1.24 vcore 3b error. I decided to use 1.27 vcore and ran prime 95 29.11 blend test for 6 hours my temps were low 60's high 50's with 1 core peaking at 65.

im currently running prime on 4.3 with 1.3 vcore override same temperatures so far....Im at work now and will check on it in 3 hours or so.


Any suggestions? Im shooting for atleast 4.4 stability but fear I may have to do 1.33+ vcore

Hey, appreciate the compliment.

From what I have heard, 3b is ram related not CPU related. That's interesting. I'll do a quick thread search for 3b but I still suspect ram. The CPU OC bsod codes are 101, 124, 9c.

 

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I'll stop wasting my time then. 1 hour seems about right. I'll give linpack and x264 a shot next. Thanks!

I'm not a fan of linpack because it's so hot. Basing linpack for stability often means lowering your OC due to thermal limits.

x264 overnight loop is my standard benchmark of what is stable or not.

 

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Darkwizzie requested that I test my OC for more than one hour.

For people who do not have experience with Haswell and OCCT you should download and install OCCT then run the OCCT CPU:OCCT 1 hour test for Large Data Set 64 bits. It is harder to pass than the OCCT CPU:Linpack AVX 64 bits test.
http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download

At a vcore of 1.33 and a cache of 1.30 I have passed the CPU:OCCT LDS 64b 1 hour test three times and the CPU:Linpack AVX 64b 1 hour test twice for a total of five hours of stress testing. Until I have an actual reason to do any additional stress testing this is all that I am doing. After two weeks at this OC I have had zero issues with any programs including FSX and 3DMark06.









I will analyze those pictures in just a second and update your settings accordingly. Thanks.

Did you change input voltage?

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Set those exact settings with 4.2 ran 5 loops, but had to leave so I need to check on it later, I had someone check it an hour ago and said it was on loop 3. Can you explain what the llc setting is doing?

Thank you for your help!

It does help Vdroop but Vdroop is less of a problem for Haswell to begin with.


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What would you guys consider is too high for Vcore and VCCIN? I have seen conflicting numbers so I am just curious so don't get fussy. Water cooling that is, not air or LN2.
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I'm not a fan of linpack because it's so hot.

Linpack without avx is actually around x264 temps, it's ok for stress testing some stuff but a poor stability test
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It does help Vdroop but Vdroop is less of a problem for Haswell to begin with.

Vdroop is a major problem for Haswell when you're pulling 150 watts. Not so much when you're pulling 80 and using too high vrin in the first place so droop is acceptable. If you're trying to be accurate with the VRIN you set and you have 2.0 set, it's kinda a problem to have it at like 1.8, suboptimal

Vcore Vdroop isn't a major problem for Haswell, but that's an entirely different thing
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Linpack without avx is actually around x264 temps, it's ok for stress testing some stuff but a poor stability test
Vdroop is a major problem for Haswell when you're pulling 150 watts. Not so much when you're pulling 80 and using too high vrin in the first place so droop is acceptable. If you're trying to be accurate with the VRIN you set and you have 2.0 set, it's kinda a problem to have it at like 1.8, suboptimal

Vcore Vdroop isn't a major problem for Haswell, but that's an entirely different thing

Still not a reason to use Linpack, lol.

I can test stability with Vdroop offset at 5% vs 100% and see if stability changes. Seeing as I'm at 4.6 and a lower than current Vrin will cause instability for sure.

 

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What would you guys consider is too high for Vcore and VCCIN? I have seen conflicting numbers so I am just curious so don't get fussy. Water cooling that is, not air or LN2.

That's because nobody knows for sure what exactly is safe or not safe. But that kindda applies to every other CPU, but Haswell is still new. Your cooling affects temps, but temps is a seperate issue from degradation. And temps vary wildy based on setup and load so there's no way I can tell you what voltage is bad for temps, only tell you what temps are bad.

 

Under 1.4v I see no issue with degradation. 1.45v be cautious, 1.5v only if really, really needed. 1.5v+ is definatly uncharted territory. If you can swallow 1.5v+ no problem, your cooling solution is likely to be boss enough to the point where losing a CPU isn't THAT big of a deal anyways.
Under 2.0 VCCIN is no problem. 2.1-2.2 is really the max we've seen. There was one report of death via 2.2v but somebody told me that's inaccurate because the death was due to improper delid instead.  Any higher we have no idea.

 

Keep stability test runs under 95C max.

Try to keep normal usage max under 80, 85C.

You might hit a voltage wall so that voltage/temps isn't really even an issue anymore.


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